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Q21Q21 Vinegar + Lime A/B/A (xylene/limonene) and A/B (naptha) Teks

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What kind of popcorn bowls did you use? Naptha DOES eat through many kinds of plastics. Does it say what kind of material your bowls are made out of? Is there a hazard code on the bottom of them?
 
Bodhisattva said:
What kind of popcorn bowls did you use? Naptha DOES eat through many kinds of plastics. Does it say what kind of material your bowls are made out of? Is there a hazard code on the bottom of them?
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Use glass or stainless steel, not plastic.
 
As a favor to q21q21 for his work on this Tek, I have posted a Wiki entry for him under Teks>A/B>Q21Q21's...

The work is still in progress, but at this point the initial extraction process is posted. The additional (Sub Tek's) are not complete yet, but I will have them complete soon.

I really like this series of teks for many, many reasons. Foremost is that it's safe, easy, and you can get multiple variations of alkaloids from the same batch of MHRB. The bark just KEEPS giving! :D

Thanks q21!

Peace,
-idt
 
my buddy SWIM wanted me to pop in and post this...

he tried this method using 250g of MHRB and got a VERY low yield. this bark has proven to be VERY good. he is thinking surface area may have been the culprit. he plans on reusing his bestine on the same bark again tonight to see what happens. when he emails me his results from tonights pull(s) i will post them here. he also wanted me to thank q21q21 again on such a great tek!
 
Maybe I'm just tired right now, but is there any reason FASI can, or should not be used with this approach, replacing Vinegar pulls from limonene. I read through this thread and FASI is not mentioned here. IS it because of the full range profile of this tech's alkaloids or something else I am missing here. Thanks...
 
FASA or FASI could be used just as well as the vinegar.
Though the advantage of the vinegar is the quick, high yield and non-toxic conversion to freebase, while SWIM has heard many issues with losing a gram or two in converting fumarates.

(the tek is by no means a "Final Version" it will be continuously edited)
SWIM will notate it sometime tomorrow maybe.
 
Also, my friend, Would it be safe to use a double boiler on the gas stove for the naptha process? I am worried that I would not be able to keep the naptha hot enough.

I am using some pyrex bowls, and they can sit on top of each other, acting as a crude double boiler, but how often should I change the water for maxmum yield? Should I wait till the top bowl heats up before adding the naptha?

What methods do you use to heat up the naptha before using it?

Much thanks,
mzar
 
maxzar100 said:
Also, my friend, Would it be safe to use a double boiler on the gas stove for the naptha process? I am worried that I would not be able to keep the naptha hot enough.

I am using some pyrex bowls, and they can sit on top of each other, acting as a crude double boiler, but how often should I change the water for maxmum yield? Should I wait till the top bowl heats up before adding the naptha?

What methods do you use to heat up the naptha before using it?

Much thanks,
mzar
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SWIM is about to edit the tek to mention some alternatives, this is the second time he's heard of the double boiler idea, once was mentioning as very nice yield using a double boiling.

Using a double boiler would work just fine, any method to keep the bark at a luke-warm 30-40C would be fine, just don't directly heat the naptha please :D
 
Hi Q, I know this info is around one of your posts; but I think you suggested a temperature whereby acetates will convert to Freebase.
I guess in a simpler manner, I am just wondering what temperature to keep it below, while evaporating, as to Not undermine the stability of the salt acetate. I'm guessing a food dehydrator at 108 would not convert the acetates to freebase.

Well now I have a good question for you, if so and so wanted Phosphates, instead of acetates, do you reckon that a mixture of Phosphoric Acid and water would work just as well to salt out the alkaloids from Limonene.

And last but not least just for curiosity, if one had phosphoric and vinegar together, I'm wondering which of the two Dmitrius would have an affinity for.

Thanks for the sharing of your wisdom and knowledge...
 
Update, dummy me even quoted this info in another thread: 39 Degrees Celsius, which is 102.2 degrees fahrenheit is quoted as the temperature not to exceed to preserve the salt form of the alkaloids as they are drying. I am, however, curious as to how this number was come to...
 
SWIM has not found the actual temperature that a loss of product will occur, even boiling a whole pot of water under a 1/4 inch of glass with a 20mg of white DMT just melted the spice.

So basically anything under 100C or 212F is perfectly safe and about 80-100C is where the acetates seem to boil off, though the smell is really obvious, if it smells like vinegar, they are still acetates
 
I find that a little confusing; If I am correct acetates remain if evaporated at low enough temperature. However, if evaporated with enough heat, then freebase occurs. Maybe I am missing that acetates, because of evaporation, turn to freebase if all vinegar gone, regardless of temperature? Been a little mixed up these day so sorry if making the knowledgeable ones work too hard to help newb swim.
 
Well the process is really in it's infancy, but when SWIM did a test the double boiler was left on 7 (simmering temperature) for about 10 minutes after all the the water appeared to be gone the gooey residue continued to smell of vinegar, but once it was put on MAX (rolling boil temperature) within 5 minutes the vinegar smell was gone and he was able to pull white freebase out with naptha, though that was strictly to prove that freebasing had occurred

It could be just that it takes much longer to freebase at lets say 60-70 celcius, SWIM is no chemist by any means, but since boiling does not lose product he hasn't felt the need to test with anything but...
 
So I started the tek with a double boiler, everything went well, untill I realized that I had no lime and none of the stores around me carry it in reasonable amounts.

Im going to order some lime off of ebay, but for now I used sodium carbonate ;[ I will be happy If I am even able to get any of the dmt freebased using the carbonate ;(
 
Ok. I tried this tek (done the lye STB teks successfully with no problem) and it didn't work for me. How much lime is needed in terms of volume? I don't have a scale right now, and the lime is so light and fluffy that I can't imagine how much would be needed. I did 4 pulls and freeze precip'ed and nothing. I evaporated, nothing.

Am I not using enough Lime?
 
could you describe the consistency of the mix, the brand of lime, the brand of naptha.
Anything else that is any different than the tek.

It is probably not the amount of lime that is the culprit though.
 
maxzar100 said:
Also, my friend, Would it be safe to use a double boiler on the gas stove for the naptha process? I am worried that I would not be able to keep the naptha hot enough.

I am using some pyrex bowls, and they can sit on top of each other, acting as a crude double boiler, but how often should I change the water for maxmum yield? Should I wait till the top bowl heats up before adding the naptha?

What methods do you use to heat up the naptha before using it?

Much thanks,
mzar
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NO NO NO NO GAS STOVE AND NAPTHA THIS IS A RECIPE FOR A DISASTER KEEP GAS FUMES AWAY FROM OPEN FLAME
 
An update, From doing only one pull, unfortunately using sodium carbonate, I have freeze precip since Thursday night. Today, the naptha was a bit cloudy still, so I poured it into another container, and in the old one I THINK that I have some crystals. I will take a pic and post it in a few hours.
 
Is it possible that your freezer isn't cold enough?
I've "heard" there is a chance of that being an issue... and also "heard" that if you place your solvent containing dish in another larger dish with an ice/salt water bath it could possibly help lower your temp enough to get that precip to form and fall out... cloudy solvent indicates there is likely something in there.... Just a random thought.
 
Everything in the tek was followed to a "t", but I had to guess the weight by volume (tablespoon) of the garden lime rather than weigh it out. The consistency was spot on, everything worked just like the tek said it would - except for the part where it didn't produce results!

I wonder if the bark I got was bunk.
 
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