Question about 5-MeO-DMT

[La Honda]

Hello,

I have a question about this one. I have read quite a bit about it and saw many people in the underground communities portraying it as a very hard psychedelic to handle. However, I also have read that as it is way more potent than N,N-DMT the issue some encountered might have come because they simply took too much. Maybe they came from N,N-DMT and accidently miss dosed. I reckon Shulgin dose was quite high and this would make sense given what he wrote about it (crushing, useless, hard, etc.). The reports under controlled settings also contradict the underground reputation as the majority of people seem to have had a good and positive experience. I'm curious to know what you guys think and if I'm missing something here.

 

[RitualOpossum]

neurobloom told me in the chat 2-3 mg dose range is pleasant and i forget who but someone backed it up. It might have been The Sofa Traveler but I might be wrong. I've never used 5-MeO-DMT but would like to explore it in low doses like 2-3 mgs and perhaps with NN DMT or maybe NMT
It's absolutely a more potent psychedelic in larger doses

Are you considering growing Phalaris like Tanit? You can order seeds from neurobloom or Grasshoppers. Good sources, some of the most diverse psychoactive Phalaris strains from what I hear

 

[La Honda]

I'll be looking into that thanks. I'm for now solely using (very strong) N,N-DMT vapes as it's WAY more usual to vape than actually smoke so since on this ones it's easy to breakthrough I got myself a few 5-MeO. That said you're totally, totally right, when I tried N,N-DMT I started really low as I didn't know how my tolerance was so, I might do the same. It is interesting how the 5-MeO-DMT got itself such a reputation though.

 

[RitualOpossum]

Yeah, my general advice is like with stuff such as Ibogaine or 5-MeO-DMT to keep doses low. Check out 5-MeO-DMT Hype or Hyperbole - a discussion on if 5-MeO-DMT is as profound as they say. By all means it has potential and many report it as a very promising psychedelic. Some say its their favorite. One thingbI notice reported is that 5-MeO-DMT trips are always the same whereas nn dmt is very variable; a new journey or experience each time

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

I experimented with 5-MeO-DMT many years ago with a friend, and I have to say it's my second-least favorite psychedelic. It was like being smashed across the bridge of my nose with a baseball bat – conscious unconsciousness, a void state sparsely populated by bubbles, which if entered, revealed nothing. The bodyload was also equally unpleasant – difficulty breathing, thumping/racing heartbeat, feeling like my limbs were in a vice-grip. The same thing, every time – a mindless, unpleasant bodyload.

I was very surprised when I read here that people not only like it, but get a lot out of it. To each there own. Obviously it's not for me.

 

[RitualOpossum]

Im just curious generally @TheGreenPhantom but whats your first least favorite and 3rd least favorite psychedelic?

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

My least favorite psychedelic? AMT. For me it was nothing more than a bodyload that made me feel fidgety, cold and restless with lots of bruxism. No visuals. No intellectual stimulation. (I wrote enough notes about it that I should post in a separate thread.)

I'm not sure if I really have a third least favorite psychedelic, but if pressed I would have to say syrian rue. I have yet to aquire a taste for it, and find the initial ataxia and nausea, followed by the intense stimulation, a bit cumbersome.

I just finished a book called Drunk in China by Derek Sandhaus, and he claims that it took him at least 70 times of drinking baijiu before he actually loved it. So, I'm chalking rue up to being just one of those things you've got to get used to before you can enjoy it.

 

[Jamie01]

2 mg vaped synth stuff was pleasant and more euphoric than DMT.

Don’t go hard with it immediately.

 

[Jamie01]

I think a good rule is stay at 2mg or under at first. Then go up by like 1mg. At 7mg I was totally blown away. I was alone on a beach and had gone from 5 to 7 mg thinking that 2 mg more would be okay. I had a light out on a fairly public beach…came to with my legs in a tide pool and a naked woman was walking around with a hoola hoop(nude beach).

I couldn’t figure out what I even was for a moment. Be careful with this molecule and get a sitter if you even approach deeper experiences.

 

[RitualOpossum]

@Jamie01 I'm glad nothing bad happened on your experience; coming to on a tidepool would have scared me for a fear of accidental drowning

I hear 5-MeO-DMT mixes well with NN DMT but as stated keep the 5-MeO-DMT dose low but you could experiment with how much NN DMT is required to achieve a sweet spot

 

[Jamie01]

Yes I def could have drowned had I crawled fully into the water etc…everything just sort of vibrated into light within seconds and then just..I dunno I just call it a light out.

It comes so fast and at such a low dose, don’t expect you know what to expect and make sure you are in a very safe location.

 

[RitualOpossum]

100% Jamie01. Right now I'm trying to figure out how I could get a ratio for e-juice for 5-MeO-DMT where I could still dose in 2mg range but I'm worried vaping could be hit/miss. I might just simply use a GVG and weigh each dose out if i cant figure out dosing with vapes

 

[La Honda]

Yeah, my general advice is like with stuff such as Ibogaine or 5-MeO-DMT to keep doses low. Check out 5-MeO-DMT Hype or Hyperbole - a discussion on if 5-MeO-DMT is as profound as they say. By all means it has potential and many report it as a very promising psychedelic. Some say its their favorite. One thingbI notice reported is that 5-MeO-DMT trips are always the same whereas nn dmt is very variable; a new journey or experience each time

Why very promising ? While spreading since 2010 or so it is somewhat old and known. Curious too what you've read about the trips being always the same, I've been hitting many reports on erowid and from different cults in the U.S, when they were using 5-MeO for rituals and sacraments back in the days, the experience seemed to vary quite a lot.

 

[La Honda]

Yes I def could have drowned had I crawled fully into the water etc…everything just sort of vibrated into light within seconds and then just..I dunno I just call it a light out.

It comes so fast and at such a low dose, don’t expect you know what to expect and make sure you are in a very safe location.

Would you strongly recommend a sitter for a first time then ?

 

[RitualOpossum]

5-MeO-DMT - Hype or Hyperbole? here's the thread I was alluding to/basing my statements on. I want to re-iterate I've no direct experience to go on. I read someone noted that the experience isn't as variable compared with NN DMT

If anyone is interested neurobloom helped me with figuring out vaping 5-MeO-DMT

1 to 20 ratio 5-meo-dmt freebase to PG/VG mix

A dual 0.3 ohm coil RDA set up by geekvape gave me 1 to 2 mg dose by 4 sec hit. When i changed it to single coil same set up it actually gotten stronger. Dual coil is better in my opinion its more accurate dosing.

RTA also worked for same dilution but milder i needed longer hit like 6 secs

RDA is the old fashioned atomizer with no tank..you directly drip the juice onto the whick.. underneath the wick there's a small reservoir

1 to 20 ratio is 1g freebase to 20ml vape liquid but this only worked well for an RDA atomizer for something like ceramic wick vape carts 1 to 12 ratio is desired for 1mg per hit since the coil is tiny you'll need stronger juice concentration.

1 to 8 ratio with vape carts is good for 3 to 4mg per toke i think.. look up the jaguar pen google or the magic wand as it was called by it's creator.

 

[Jamie01]

Would you strongly recommend a sitter for a first time then ?

Yes, even for a low dose just in case you are super sensitive.