40oztofreedom
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[quote='Coatl]I think everything is God pretty much.... Perhaps Tao is a better word than God...
We're all part of the grand cycle!
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Exactly.
We're all part of the grand cycle!
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Exactly.
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blue_velvet
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[quote='Coatl]
That is just a stupid comment... people hijack philosophies and religions all the time to justify things they do, it's not Jesus's fault! [/quote]
Sorry. I wasn't blaming Jesus. I said he indirectlykilled people. Yes, people do hijack philosophies and religions, but it's their fault and the fault of a religion that doesn't allow one to ask questions. Faith is an excuse to not think rationally. The people that allow themselves to be brainwashed by the church do so because of their faith. Jesus didn't have much to say about questioning God.
Many philosophies are taken a little too seriously. Again, it's great if you can get something good from these beliefs, but if someone kills in the name of God...well, fuck them. If you subscribe to religion, then what have you done for yourself? You've delegated control of your life to one of the many "Gods." It's great that Jesus proclaimed that humans are good and all, but was he right? Humans must accept the Lord Jesus/God as their personal savior. Otherwise, they go to hell. That's a pretty good incentive to throw your mind away. I don't see the good in that. There's much of this outside of religion as well.
I find the Bible to be a dreadful bore, but I don't really like history books. And that's what the Bible really is. A history book.
A friend of mine once said something to the effect of "If I'm wrong and I die and I stand before the Lord I will bow down and repent right there. Until then I have absolutely no faith in Christianity."
So, I say faith is the killer.
That is just a stupid comment... people hijack philosophies and religions all the time to justify things they do, it's not Jesus's fault! [/quote]
Sorry. I wasn't blaming Jesus. I said he indirectlykilled people. Yes, people do hijack philosophies and religions, but it's their fault and the fault of a religion that doesn't allow one to ask questions. Faith is an excuse to not think rationally. The people that allow themselves to be brainwashed by the church do so because of their faith. Jesus didn't have much to say about questioning God.
Many philosophies are taken a little too seriously. Again, it's great if you can get something good from these beliefs, but if someone kills in the name of God...well, fuck them. If you subscribe to religion, then what have you done for yourself? You've delegated control of your life to one of the many "Gods." It's great that Jesus proclaimed that humans are good and all, but was he right? Humans must accept the Lord Jesus/God as their personal savior. Otherwise, they go to hell. That's a pretty good incentive to throw your mind away. I don't see the good in that. There's much of this outside of religion as well.
I find the Bible to be a dreadful bore, but I don't really like history books. And that's what the Bible really is. A history book.
A friend of mine once said something to the effect of "If I'm wrong and I die and I stand before the Lord I will bow down and repent right there. Until then I have absolutely no faith in Christianity."
So, I say faith is the killer.
40oztofreedom
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dailbirthawn said:
Sorry. I wasn't blaming Jesus. I said he indirectlykilled people. Yes, people do hijack philosophies and religions, but it's their fault and the fault of a religion that doesn't allow one to ask questions. Faith is an excuse to not think rationally. The people that allow themselves to be brainwashed by the church do so because of their faith. Jesus didn't have much to say about questioning God.
Many philosophies are taken a little too seriously. Again, it's great if you can get something good from these beliefs, but if someone kills in the name of God...well, fuck them. If you subscribe to religion, then what have you done for yourself? You've delegated control of your life to one of the many "Gods." It's great that Jesus proclaimed that humans are good and all, but was he right? Humans must accept the Lord Jesus/God as their personal savior. Otherwise, they go to hell. That's a pretty good incentive to throw your mind away. I don't see the good in that. There's much of this outside of religion as well.
I find the Bible to be a dreadful bore, but I don't really like history books. And that's what the Bible really is. A history book.
A friend of mine once said something to the effect of "If I'm wrong and I die and I stand before the Lord I will bow down and repent right there. Until then I have absolutely no faith in Christianity."
So, I say faith is the killer.[/quote]
True as well. All of my life I only had faith as a little kid, because I never knew any better. Thats how I was born and raised, but as I grew older I specifically contradicted everything until I never had faith in anything. I don't even have faith in myself.
Faith comes easier for some, and for some it doesn't at all.
GirlsHateMe
Rising Star
The Bible a dreadful bore? a history book?
We must not be reading the same book, because thats not what I read, thats God's LIVING word, says it right inside. Its been with me through thick and thin and when I needed something how odd it was always right where I looked. It is what you make it. Thats why they have life application bibles which are awesome.
I could sit here and quote it, but why...basicly, you cant even fathom what God gives to those who love him and honestly and earnestly seek him.
I dont see how anybody who has truly tried to seek out God through Jesus hasnt liked what they found. Its really having a personal relation ship with God, they dont just say that, you have to make it your own, Jesus knows me, I know him, we get along just fine. He doesnt hinder anything im doing that is helping me and who doesnt love that.
Now im not a fundamentalist, im not perfect by any means, but anybody who thinks God expects you to be perfect is just keeping themselves from really knowing him.
We must not be reading the same book, because thats not what I read, thats God's LIVING word, says it right inside. Its been with me through thick and thin and when I needed something how odd it was always right where I looked. It is what you make it. Thats why they have life application bibles which are awesome.
I could sit here and quote it, but why...basicly, you cant even fathom what God gives to those who love him and honestly and earnestly seek him.
I dont see how anybody who has truly tried to seek out God through Jesus hasnt liked what they found. Its really having a personal relation ship with God, they dont just say that, you have to make it your own, Jesus knows me, I know him, we get along just fine. He doesnt hinder anything im doing that is helping me and who doesnt love that.
Now im not a fundamentalist, im not perfect by any means, but anybody who thinks God expects you to be perfect is just keeping themselves from really knowing him.
soulman
Rising Star
Have any of you guys ever seen the pharmacratic inquisition? Someone posted a thread of it here not long ago, but is very interesting.
It explains how the majority of stories in religious texts are actually metaphorical for the movement of the stars. It also claims the "holy grail to be a the fly argaic mushroom.
Check it out
I think it will add an interesting layer to the thread
It explains how the majority of stories in religious texts are actually metaphorical for the movement of the stars. It also claims the "holy grail to be a the fly argaic mushroom.
Check it out
I think it will add an interesting layer to the thread
GirlsHateMe
Rising Star
There was a book writen to the same effect, "the cross and the mushroom" I believe it was called, I could google but boy am I stoned. Also the popular movie Zietgiest held these claims to be true as well.
The whole argument that alot of religious texts were based on star movements is argued in "Zietgiest: Refuted", if you can find it, it really blows large holes all through that argument. Even a simple understanding of the Bible makes it seem, while interesting, a little silly. But not that some stuff in the Bible isnt a little off the wall.
But I do believe in being open to new ideas, and when I had first seen those videos and books I took an interest and read them, but in my eyes it just doesnt add up.
However, I totally believe they were all tripping balls back then, I take nothing away from that, hash was a very common additive in food and there was 9 pounds of bud in the oil they anointed people with. So thats not to say mushrooms, cannabis and hell even opium diddnt play a large part in the Bible.
I believe there are some very nice mushrooms said to be growing at the foot of the mountain where moses was said to have received the 10 commandments.
The whole argument that alot of religious texts were based on star movements is argued in "Zietgiest: Refuted", if you can find it, it really blows large holes all through that argument. Even a simple understanding of the Bible makes it seem, while interesting, a little silly. But not that some stuff in the Bible isnt a little off the wall.
But I do believe in being open to new ideas, and when I had first seen those videos and books I took an interest and read them, but in my eyes it just doesnt add up.
However, I totally believe they were all tripping balls back then, I take nothing away from that, hash was a very common additive in food and there was 9 pounds of bud in the oil they anointed people with. So thats not to say mushrooms, cannabis and hell even opium diddnt play a large part in the Bible.
I believe there are some very nice mushrooms said to be growing at the foot of the mountain where moses was said to have received the 10 commandments.
mew
huachumancer
i read the first half the first page, and was like
fuuuuh, this is not my cup of tea,
why dissect and map exactly to retrace patterns routinley, if thats understandable
you may both be right, and off... so wrong too, as it seems there can be an individual within thier own reality
whats to say we are all not the unique creation imagining the world around us as centered upon our stimulus intake.
not to say thats what i believe, but
what infalliable evidence can one hold to an infinity of variables, to prove that a particular theory of reality is of the truest true.
if you can defeat this argument with a paragraph just as long, well just not too long so i can not be foreced to read such lengths, then ill submit and not repost.
if you do not defeat this argument, it will stand with light in eternity,
peace all
fuuuuh, this is not my cup of tea,
why dissect and map exactly to retrace patterns routinley, if thats understandable
you may both be right, and off... so wrong too, as it seems there can be an individual within thier own reality
whats to say we are all not the unique creation imagining the world around us as centered upon our stimulus intake.
not to say thats what i believe, but
what infalliable evidence can one hold to an infinity of variables, to prove that a particular theory of reality is of the truest true.
if you can defeat this argument with a paragraph just as long, well just not too long so i can not be foreced to read such lengths, then ill submit and not repost.
if you do not defeat this argument, it will stand with light in eternity,
peace all
GirlsHateMe
Rising Star
suicybe said:
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, and certain of what we do not see. - Hebrews 11:1
blue_velvet
Rising Star
GirlsHateMe said:
I was born again. Saved by Jesus. Went to church and really tried to learn what these teachings were all about, but then I realized that it's foolish. I have absolutely no reason to believe in Jesus as a savior of mankind any longer. So, it's God's LIVING word just because it says so inside? You know what I found through Jesus? Numerous communities of people that don't communicate with the pastor. I've never once seen someone raise their hand in church and ask a single question. I know that perfection isn't expected of humans by the supposed God. Isn't that why Jesus allegedly came to earth in the first place? To forgive us of our "original" sin?
God and Jesuse never once offered me anything. I never felt love emanating from some place other than my heart. Mushrooms did that, but not Jesus. Never have I had a direct experience with him. What reason do I have to choose a deity? The buddhist are just fine without a personal God. The (Laveyan) satanists take great pleasure in their atheism and materialism. I'm happy with my nonbelief. The ecstasy of being free from judgement and subordination probably matches the love you feel for/from Jesus. You could say I'm wrong, but that would be biased.
Consider the following: The majority of humans are not devout Christians. The Christian religion follows that the only way to be saved from sin is through Christ Jesus. God is all knowing. So, how could God in his omniscience condemn the majority of the human race to hell before even creating them.
Oh, and yes, the Bible is really boring. Chapters dedicated simply to who begat who? Who cares about the lineage and bloodlines? David Icke perhaps?
GirlsHateMe
Rising Star
You hit the nail on the head, the problems arent in washington, the problems arent in hollywood, the problems are in the weak divided sects of jaded Christians. But what does that have to do with YOUR faith? It seems like your blaming your lack of it on other people here, how do they effect what you feel and believe from Jesus? And why did you never bring this up to them that they never asked questions, you saw people who obviously were in need of some new life in their faith, and instead of helping them to see this, you turned your back. Why?
Who do you think made the mushrooms?
And you say you were saved, you say you tried to learn, but were you really? Or were you just doing what you were told, were you just doing what seemed to be the appropriate thing at the time? Also, could it be you found Jesus, and just diddnt like his terms and conditions, was it that you couldn't just do what you wanted? Because it seems to me thats the case with most people, oh the rules oh the inability to just go do what I want without consequence, I hear it alot. Its like a 3 year old crying and telling his father he hates him, because he cant have a cookie before dinner. No, its not a lot like that...ITS EXACTLY LIKE THAT! Would you call a respected physics teacher foolish because when he tried to show you physics, you diddnt get it? No, of course you wouldnt, so why does Jesus deserve any less respect?
You say you never had a direct experience with him, is it because you were expecting to much? If you arent willing to open your heart to the subtleties of his works, then no you arent going to experience him, because you've already closed your mind as to what that entails. Hes not going to fly down on a cloud, or freeze time and take you around showing you the ghosts of Christmas past. It just doesnt work like that.
And God gave everyone free will, the ability to go and worship who they want. Will he cast into hell those who never had the CHANCE to know him, well, youd have to ask him, because I dont judge, and thats why in this, I never said you were wrong. Because that would be biased, lol.
Also, yes the Bible has alot of lineage, but its a life applicator, yes the Jewish people were OBSESSED with bloodline. They wrote the Bible, so yes in fact there is alot of linage. Doesn't mean there aren't LOTS of great things and promises from God.
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" Numbers 23:19
God always keeps his promises, the problem is, humans are so impatient, so at the first sign of a rough patch, instead of turning to him, they turn away calling it foolish.(I might add I never called what you believe foolish...so while you accuse me of being biased if saying your wrong, you've done the same thing before I even replied.)
And you can say what youd like about Mr. Icke, but bringing him up wont add and discredit to my side. Id also like to point out nobody has ever proven anything he says to be untrue. Because nobody investigates what they believe to be absurd.
Who do you think made the mushrooms?
And you say you were saved, you say you tried to learn, but were you really? Or were you just doing what you were told, were you just doing what seemed to be the appropriate thing at the time? Also, could it be you found Jesus, and just diddnt like his terms and conditions, was it that you couldn't just do what you wanted? Because it seems to me thats the case with most people, oh the rules oh the inability to just go do what I want without consequence, I hear it alot. Its like a 3 year old crying and telling his father he hates him, because he cant have a cookie before dinner. No, its not a lot like that...ITS EXACTLY LIKE THAT! Would you call a respected physics teacher foolish because when he tried to show you physics, you diddnt get it? No, of course you wouldnt, so why does Jesus deserve any less respect?
You say you never had a direct experience with him, is it because you were expecting to much? If you arent willing to open your heart to the subtleties of his works, then no you arent going to experience him, because you've already closed your mind as to what that entails. Hes not going to fly down on a cloud, or freeze time and take you around showing you the ghosts of Christmas past. It just doesnt work like that.
And God gave everyone free will, the ability to go and worship who they want. Will he cast into hell those who never had the CHANCE to know him, well, youd have to ask him, because I dont judge, and thats why in this, I never said you were wrong. Because that would be biased, lol.
Also, yes the Bible has alot of lineage, but its a life applicator, yes the Jewish people were OBSESSED with bloodline. They wrote the Bible, so yes in fact there is alot of linage. Doesn't mean there aren't LOTS of great things and promises from God.
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?" Numbers 23:19
God always keeps his promises, the problem is, humans are so impatient, so at the first sign of a rough patch, instead of turning to him, they turn away calling it foolish.(I might add I never called what you believe foolish...so while you accuse me of being biased if saying your wrong, you've done the same thing before I even replied.)
And you can say what youd like about Mr. Icke, but bringing him up wont add and discredit to my side. Id also like to point out nobody has ever proven anything he says to be untrue. Because nobody investigates what they believe to be absurd.
blue_velvet
Rising Star
It's not exactly like that. That only applies if the child has a father in the first place. Believe what you will, but there was never anyone there for me to turn my back on. Physics is science and the facts that exist can and have been proven empirically. It doesn't matter if I get it or not. With so many faiths how can one choose based off of a text? Are the religious experiences of those who have absolutely no faith in Jesus and never will any less profound and life changing? The Christian god is a "jealous God." He would attribute the miracles of any other god to he who dwells at the center of the Earth.
It wasn't a rough patch, or a nadir in my life that killed my faith. It was my logical choice based off of observations. I don't have time to shop around for a God. I WOULD need a direct experience to believe so I'll just keep on non-believing until he touches my life and fills the huge, gaping hole in my heart. You keep on with your beliefs, and we can live in harmony expressing our own opinions on matters we have absolutely no say in or real knowledge of until we find truth in death.
Believing in Christianity is like playing a 2000 year old game of telephone and expecting to get the original message. What a joke.
A process known as evolution.
A process known as evolution.