Smoking nb-DMT-OXALATE

[Varallo]

the point is that i have no access to any plant so no extracting is possible.

Second point is : waiting for what? That's still a relatively old compound (1y+) and nothing has come up yet.
I am going to have a go another couple of time although i am short on time lately.

Btw i have already tried to ingest it a small amount and i felt nothing ( no health issues either)

You really need to take the time to read carefully. And if you don’t fully understand the English, then you should translate it properly, using a LLM, because right now, you’re missing the nuance of what three different people have already been trying to explain to you.

 

[shake]

You really need to take the time to read carefully. And if you don’t fully understand the English, then you should translate it properly, using a LLM, because right now, you’re missing the nuance of what three different people have already been trying to explain to you.

That's ok , i understood.
It didn't mean to be rude, thanks to everyone .

 

[Transform]

i have already tried to ingest it a small amount and i felt nothing ( no health issues either)

Ah, interesting. Was this in combination with harmala alkaloids or something like Syrian rue (Steppenraute) or caapi? This would be a useful datapoint for the record, especially if we can start putting numbers (i.e. how many mg) to it.

N-boc-DMT bears more than a passing resemblance to, e.g. carbofuran, so at least familiarise yourself with the symptoms of carbamate toxicity if you intend to explore this route any further.

 

[shake]

Ah, interesting. Was this in combination with harmala alkaloids or something like Syrian rue (Steppenraute) or caapi? This would be a useful datapoint for the record, especially if we can start putting numbers (i.e. how many mg) to it.

N-boc-DMT bears more than a passing resemblance to, e.g. carbofuran, so at least familiarise yourself with the symptoms of carbamate toxicity if you intend to explore this route any further.

I ingested like 0.001g and it tasted like metal but very bitter, horrible .

Thx for the carbamate symptoms link , it's good that i have already studied that in my course of study .

 

[shake]

Another try:
I tried to put 50 mg of Nb-DMT-oxalate in a pre heated oven at 200°C for 10 min, but as soon as i put in the oven it started to boil and turning black and it smelled badly.

What happened?

After 5 min it turned like the last attachment.

 

[Transform]

oven at 200°C

Go back and review all my posts - this was clearly too hot. The need to deal with side products was also foreshadowed in what I wrote, as well as the way solvents can be chosen to limit the reaction temperature.

I very much doubt you'll achieve clean deprotection in a single step in a home setting. Your best bet is microwaving in acidic water, followed by a mini-extraction using, say, sodium carbonate and ethanol or acetone. There may be a problem with separating unreacted starting material, so I'd also be looking at using Waschbenzin for a recrystallisation.

You'd be wise to test the solubility of the N-Boc-DMT in various solvents to up your chances of a successful clean up.

Anyhow, well done for continuing with the experiments - keep it systematic and always take precise notes at every stage. As pointed out benore, this is venturing into unknown territory in terms of the actual specific properties and behaviour of N-Boc-DMT, sso anything you find out will be a great contributiot to the community - including the apparent failures

 

[shake]

I have a question:
What if i put some Nb-DMT-oxalate in propylene glycol and vape it straight away to 190/200 C? If the nb-dmt-oxalate can't bear high temperature maybe it can with it.

 

[Varallo]

I have a question:
What if i put some Nb-DMT-oxalate in propylene glycol and vape it straight away to 190/200 C? If the nb-dmt-oxalate can't bear high temperature maybe it can with it.

It won’t solve your problem, and even if you manage to dissolve it, inhaling oxalates is a bad idea on top of the other issues already mentioned.


Example 6 might be kitchen friendly;

Boc Deprotection - HCl

Example procedures for the boc deprotection of a compound using hydrochloric acid (HCl).

commonorganicchemistry.com

Heating it in dilute HCl at 60 °C for a couple of hours might be enough to cleave the Boc group, followed by basification and extraction with naphtha. That said, without proper analysis, you’d still be in the dark about the reaction’s completeness or the presence of any side-products.

 

[Transform]

I have a question:
What if i put some Nb-DMT-oxalate in propylene glycol and vape it straight away to 190/200 C? If the nb-dmt-oxalate can't bear high temperature maybe it can with it.

Propylene glycol isn't evaporating at that temperature - dissolved water flash-boils and steam pressure atomises the PG into aerosolised droplets. This limits the temperature to no more than 120°C, and the duration of heating is very brief.

It's possible to apply thermochemical equations to the deprotection process, and work out how long it might take at any given temperature. Using further thermodynamic calculations, you can calculate the heat flux of the vape coil, the transit time of PG aerosol droplets, etc., and infer whether the process is a viable concept.

 

[Pipettenrocker]

I wanted to try this legal DMT here in germany so I tested this over the last week. I need approximatly 2.5 times the "DMT amount" to get the effects I usually got from the original. The taste is unfortunately the same ,) At 0.06g today, the whole world got a coating of moving fractals for a moment and I got a few flashes when I closed my eyes so I am getting near the propper breakthrough amount. It will be 75-80mg. So this definetly, 100% works vaped at 221°C. My first try I put the substance into the metal capsule of my vape but that didn't work. I just put it in the heating chamber of my vape without any shenanigans all consecutive tries.
My vaporizer was the wolkenkraft fx mini if anyone wonders or wants to try something that definetly works. The NB-DMT oxalat was ordered at a german online shop. I did no preparation other than squishing the bigger clumped up powder pieces a bit.

 

[blig-blug]

I wanted to try this legal DMT here in germany so I tested this over the last week. I need approximatly 2.5 times the "DMT amount" to get the effects I usually got from the original. The taste is unfortunately the same ,) At 0.06g today, the whole world got a coating of moving fractals for a moment and I got a few flashes when I closed my eyes so I am getting near the propper breakthrough amount. It will be 75-80mg. So this definetly, 100% works vaped at 221°C. My first try I put the substance into the metal capsule of my vape but that didn't work. I just put it in the heating chamber of my vape without any shenanigans all consecutive tries.
My vaporizer was the wolkenkraft fx mini if anyone wonders or wants to try something that definetly works. The NB-DMT oxalat was ordered at a german online shop. I did no preparation other than squishing the bigger clumped up powder pieces a bit.

Thanks for your report, it's good to know, given the lack of information about it currently.

You may not want to vaporize it much more, bearing in mind that doing so may be producing toxic compounds:

if you vaporise the N-boc, it's a carbamate which may well have toxic effects considering a major use of carbamates is in pesticides

 

[InhAle89]

I am in Italy and wanted also to try this legal substance. Tried 0.01g in a Plenty vaporiser, which works through hot air, from 160C to 230C. Nothing. Tried with increasing dose up to 0.1g, still nothing. I don't think it s a scam, so probably it is my fault. No idea if other routes are viable, will try. I have no chemistry knowledge so, any suggestions in how to proceed would be helpful

 

[Varallo]

I am in Italy and wanted also to try this legal substance. Tried 0.01g in a Plenty vaporiser, which works through hot air, from 160C to 230C. Nothing. Tried with increasing dose up to 0.1g, still nothing. I don't think it s a scam, so probably it is my fault. No idea if other routes are viable, will try. I have no chemistry knowledge so, any suggestions in how to proceed would be helpful

Hi there,

My advice is to read this whole thread before continuing any experiments, please be safe and make sure you are fully aware of the risks involved.

 

[Transform]

I have no chemistry knowledge so, any suggestions in how to proceed would be helpful

You'd do yourself a big favour by remedying this issue at source and buying a chemistry book or two. I found "Chimica Medica 2" by Mario Rippa in a giveaway box (not even in Italy) fairly recently, but I think you'll find something more suitable with a bit of an internet search. Getting to grips with what an N-Boc-derivatised tryptamine is and all that that entails is a fair number of steps down the line from your current starting point.

From your position, it might be better to look into grasses of the genus Phalaris and how to extract psychoactive tryptamines from them. Your fellow countryman, Giorio Samorini did a considerable amount of work in this field, although there will be a number of caveats and potential pitfalls to watch out for.

Another alternative if you were to take up gardening is to start growing one or more of the other more reliably DMT-producing plants. All these longer games will ultimately pay better dividends than your current approach.

 

[InhAle89]

You are right, but right now I think I ll still try other methods. For me it is worth it. I'll report here any ill effects

 

[Transform]

You are right, but right now I think I ll still try other methods. For me it is worth it. I'll report here any ill effects

Questionable decision. In what way is it worth ingesting an untested compound of unknown toxicity?

As mentioned above:

Boc Deprotection - HCl

Example procedures for the boc deprotection of a compound using hydrochloric acid (HCl).

commonorganicchemistry.com

Be sure to read through the whole of this (very) thread before proceeding any further.

 

[DK_one]

I just found this.

Perhaps you should use the translator in your browser.

I'm still unsure about details like the required response time, or if anyone can comment on that.

Nevermind just saw reaction time of 48-72h

Amin-Schutz/Entschützen

The BOC (tert-butyloxycarbonyl) protecting group, chemically a di-tert-butyl dicarbonate (Boc2O), is probably the most common amine protecting group in non-peptide chemistry.

www.fishersci.de

 

[LoveBlanket]

Has anyone come across the newly mentioned NB-DMT freebase changa that’s been circulating recently?

I’m curious about what people know regarding its chemistry, reported effects, and general safety profile — especially compared with regular DMT.

I remember the non freebase NB DMT was a hazard to smoke , could the NB group in itself be harmful ?

Any insights or experiences would be appreciated. Thanks !

 

[Varallo]

Has anyone come across the newly mentioned NB-DMT freebase changa that’s been circulating recently?

I’m curious about what people know regarding its chemistry, reported effects, and general safety profile — especially compared with regular DMT.

I remember the non freebase NB DMT was a hazard to smoke , could the NB group in itself be harmful ?

Any insights or experiences would be appreciated. Thanks !

All the warnings that are mentioned in this thread are applicable to the changa version. Is there anything particular that you think needs clarification?

 

[ben10]

I just heat it untill it decomposes and than smokes it. No need for fancy chemistry. It decomposes in heat.


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