something from nothing?

[Psychelectric]

Parshvik, I understand that you view this world in terms of equations and mathematics, and you see to balance the equation to satisfy some Yin Yang ideology, but understand that I don't totally view the universe like that. In fact I think that there's a possibility that the universe operates differently when looked at from a grand scale, I see the dynamics of this universe as truly infinite and that we can only perceive a tiny portion of its grandiosity. However I think the distinctions are purely semantic, I'm trying to see the world from your view. And honestly we probably agree with each other, but just perceive things differently.

I think the point that you are trying to make is that something and unthings exist in balance like positives and negatives with 0 or nothing being the balance between states. If you want to balance the equation like waves and combine an unthing with something then you get your nothing, but wouldn't the universe cease to exist at that point, lol? I mean antimatter and matter have that balance, so where is nothing? Nowhere? By this thought then maybe the universe is a negative and a positive without that precious zero in the middle and when you combine the things and unthings you get your 0, and at that magical point the universe implodes like a reverse Big Bang. If that's your philosophy, I can't argue with that. However with that then 0 or nothing existed in the past at the time of the Big Bang singularity. that is a fair point. Though that means that "nothing" doesn't exist anymore and hasn't "existed" in this universe in billions of years. Though maybe there's a blank space of nothing in this vast cosmos waiting to be filled with its own singularity and its own universe. And from that 0 spills forth 1s and -1s up towards infinity.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

maybe the universe is a negative and a positive without that precious zero in the middle and when you combine the things and unthings you get your 0, and at that magical point the universe implodes like a reverse Big Bang.

yes, but but more fascinating than somethings becoming nothing:
nothing can be DIVIDED into something.
the formula works both ways, there is no chronology to it.

If that's your philosophy, I can't argue with that. However with that then 0 or nothing existed in the past at the time of the Big Bang singularity. that is a fair point. Though that means that "nothing" doesn't exist anymore and hasn't "existed" in this universe in billions of years. Though maybe there's a blank space of nothing in this vast cosmos waiting to be filled with its own singularity and its own universe. And from that 0 spills forth 1s and -1s up towards infinity.

precisely.
:thumb_up:

 

[InMotion]

Here's my metaphysics conjecture. Let's play with only zero, and operations which we all likely hold to be true. Say algebraic axioms(addition, subtraction, multiplication, etc). I know some people are afraid of math, but trust me anyone can follow along with this if they are interested.

0 = 0
0 + 0 = 0
0 + 0 + ... + 0 = 0

also 0 * 0 = 0

Let's talk properties .

0 has no boundaries nor limits(zero space certainly cannot be graphed by any means).
0 is immeasurable.
0 has an infinite sum of itself as itself.

Infinity has no boundaries or limits(infinite space certainly cannot be graphed by any means).
Infinity is immeasurable.
Infinity has an infinite sum of itself as itself.

Now certainly infinite is not the same as zero in any classical sense. That isn't the aim of this comparison. Although, it might be debatable that zero can not exist without a concept of infinity.

How many 0's are inside of 0? An infinite amount.

.: if 0 is to exist so must infinite.

It might also be debate-able that from the O self-summations(0+...+0=0) all of them numbers could be created. Because whether or not 0 + 0 + 0 has an observer. By definition that is 3 * 0. Which we all know 3 * 0 = 0( 0 + 0 + 0 = 0).

Ex:
3 + 3 = 2 * 3 = 6
0 + 0 = 2 * 0 = 0
0 + 0 + 0 = 3 * 0 = 0
0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 4 * 0 = 0 etc

.: if 0 is to exist all whole numbers must also exist.


Who says you cannot get something from nothing?
Cheers