That makes alot of sense...the last time I drank aya, I actaully fell asleap not long after the onset. I awoke a few hours later and ate very lightly then went back to bed when the brew really kicked in..works this way for mushrooms with me as well.
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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) sublingually
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Nanaki
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SWIM just tried 80mg THH and 40mg DMT using a packet of that True Lemon (which has mostly Citric Acid). The grocers don't seem to sell Citric Acid.
Anyway, 30 mins after ingestion, and taking some water and eating a bit of popcorn, SWIM only feels dizzy. It does feel like it might be building, but is it supposed to take over a half-hour to begin working? No closed-eye visuals or any fluidity. Just a feeling of being dizzy and what feels like pressure in the head.
Anyway, 30 mins after ingestion, and taking some water and eating a bit of popcorn, SWIM only feels dizzy. It does feel like it might be building, but is it supposed to take over a half-hour to begin working? No closed-eye visuals or any fluidity. Just a feeling of being dizzy and what feels like pressure in the head.
69ron
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That sounds horrible. Nothing at all like SWIM's experience.
Has SWIY taken any drugs recently that might have made the THH or DMT ineffective?
There are a few drugs which will make DMT ineffective for a few weeks. For example, iboga is said to do that.
Has SWIY taken any drugs recently that might have made the THH or DMT ineffective?
There are a few drugs which will make DMT ineffective for a few weeks. For example, iboga is said to do that.
Nanaki
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Well, an hour later it is still building very slowly. A slight numbness in the hands and some difficulty focusing on reading and typing now. The dizziness is very slight. Not that bothersome at all. He does notice now that the words he's reading on a website do move around ever so slightly.
SWIM only takes Coumadin (a blood-thinner) but this has not had any effects on his smoking DMT in the past. If anything, it should make him more sensitive to it.
So none of the good effects yet, and just the feeling of drowsy, numbing, pressure in the head. Not really bad, somewhat comfortable, but not quite what he expects. He might need more later, but it still continues to build very, very slowly so he'll see how this goes.
Anyway, his scale isn't the most accurate, so he could have been 10mg lower than these amounts. He might not have taken enough THH to support the DMT very well. He's waiting for his new milligram scale to arrive. But at least he has an idea of threshold amounts.
How long does it take typically for SWIY to get the visuals after taking the analog?
SWIM only takes Coumadin (a blood-thinner) but this has not had any effects on his smoking DMT in the past. If anything, it should make him more sensitive to it.
So none of the good effects yet, and just the feeling of drowsy, numbing, pressure in the head. Not really bad, somewhat comfortable, but not quite what he expects. He might need more later, but it still continues to build very, very slowly so he'll see how this goes.
Anyway, his scale isn't the most accurate, so he could have been 10mg lower than these amounts. He might not have taken enough THH to support the DMT very well. He's waiting for his new milligram scale to arrive. But at least he has an idea of threshold amounts.
How long does it take typically for SWIY to get the visuals after taking the analog?
69ron
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30 minutes for visuals to start, and then its super intense at 45 minutes for SWIM, and starting to slowly fade at the 1 hour point with effects felt for another few hours. But SWIM used a minimum of 200 mg of THH and 20 mg of DMT. So it’s almost like comparing apples and oranges.
SWIM never experienced dizziness or pressure. That just doesn’t sound right to me. Do some people get that from caapi?
SWIM never experienced dizziness or pressure. That just doesn’t sound right to me. Do some people get that from caapi?
That is not uncommon, at least not the dizziness. On higher doses of caapi, dizziness is common. It is sort of a drunk feeling, it is hard to walk straight. On higher doses you may be incapasitated, unable to walk. Perhaps you can crawl if you try hard enough :lol:69ron said:
Don't know about the pressure part, but I would not worry. Caapi can manifest a lot of strange things.
boylobster
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Very interesting, Nanaki, and thank you for the report. What SWIY experienced is more similar to the experiences of SWIM than anything else I've read on the thread thus far. I assume SWIY hasn't yet tried administering their THH HCl by any method other than ingestion? I'd be very interested to hear the results of any further testing SWIY does, given the similarity between the experiences of SWIY and SWIM.
After the final rectal administration I mentioned earlier in the thread, this is pretty much exactly what SWIM experienced, along with a profound feeling of relaxation in the body.Dagger said:
Nanaki
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SWIM had great results doing 15mg THH sublingually before smoking the DMT. He will try again tonight with 150mg THH orally, wait about 15 mins, and then 40mg DMT orally.
He ate about an hour ago, and so far no nausea. Just a few burps. He will be taking the DMT before long. Hopefully his scale reads right. It said 40mg, but that did not look anything like the amount equal to a pencil eraser in size. Maybe 1/2 of one. SWIM hopes to get results instead of wasting this THH which is like $40 a gram.
He ate about an hour ago, and so far no nausea. Just a few burps. He will be taking the DMT before long. Hopefully his scale reads right. It said 40mg, but that did not look anything like the amount equal to a pencil eraser in size. Maybe 1/2 of one. SWIM hopes to get results instead of wasting this THH which is like $40 a gram.
boylobster
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Hm. Was SWIY able to actually feel the effects of THH with a 15mg sublingual dosage, or did they only notice a difference in the subsequent DMT experience?Nanaki said:
boylobster
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Merry XMas, all! I hope this bizarre season was trouble-free for all of you.
69ron, this is for you in particular. I was thinking about your comments on the empty stomach's reaction to alkaloids. If there's any merit to that, while this may seem frivolous, I think it's also well worth trying out.
It'll be a fun experiment in any event, but I'm definitely going to have SWIM try this with our bitter friends and report on what benefits, if any, are to be had.
69ron, this is for you in particular. I was thinking about your comments on the empty stomach's reaction to alkaloids. If there's any merit to that, while this may seem frivolous, I think it's also well worth trying out.
It'll be a fun experiment in any event, but I'm definitely going to have SWIM try this with our bitter friends and report on what benefits, if any, are to be had.
SWIM has used these...they work to a certain extent but anything TOO bitter and it just doesnt cut it...SWIM tried to use them with T. bridgesii cacti..and the only thing the berry did was make the apple cider he was drinking with it taste much sweeter..but the cacti was still the same:/
boylobster
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Jorkest said:
Yeah, while I've yet to play with them myself, I'd wondered if that would be the case with substances that contain no sugar content or other more appealing flavors. The action of the protein is to simply block your tongue from perceiving flavors typically classified as unpleasant, allowing all other flavor to seemingly increase in intensity. However, if the substance in question contains nothing appealing in terms of flavor to begin with... well, I'm still gonna' have SWIM give a shot. Per 69ron's hypothesis, perhaps it could enhance the nausea-reducing effect of light, tasty snack foods consumed prior to, during, or after alkaloid ingestion. But my god, do they have to call it the Miracle Berry?
If anyone's interested, SWIM should have some more reports soon with regard to DMSO and other combinations... after SWIM decompresses a little bit from the Christmas madness. Cheers, all.
Nanaki
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I was fortunate since I have no family to worry about for Christmas. It was a lazy day, starting out at 6am with my first ayahuasca experience. Very touching, moving to say the least. I really enjoy learning from this board.
Of course the ayahuasca part only happend in a dream.
Of course the ayahuasca part only happend in a dream.
boylobster
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!
Man, that's one way to do Xmas. I'll look to that as an inspiring approach for any holiday!
Man, that's one way to do Xmas. I'll look to that as an inspiring approach for any holiday!
69ron
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How do you know the mimosa you've extracted wasn't grown in a toxic waste field and full of all sorts of toxins? Well since it's NOT sold for consumption it could legally be grown in a toxic waste field and kill you, and because you broke the law to ingest it, it would be your fault, not the mimosa seller’s.
I’m just saying that because the same thing applies to plants, not just things like theobromine and THH.
As for the THH SWIM bought it says right on the container: "Processing method used: FOOD GRADE". I also contacted them and asked what the impurities were and they said they were all food grade non-toxic chemicals and some of the original plant matter. They also said the only solvent they use is pure drinking water. So it’s basically food grade. Regardless of their THH being food grade, it is "NOT SOLD FOR CONSUMPTION" the same as the harmaline tincture, and the same as mimosa, San Pedro, etc. It’s the FDA that enforces this, not the sellers. The sellers would love to say that their mimosa is sold for ingestion, but they cannot without getting into legal trouble.
I’m just saying that because the same thing applies to plants, not just things like theobromine and THH.
As for the THH SWIM bought it says right on the container: "Processing method used: FOOD GRADE". I also contacted them and asked what the impurities were and they said they were all food grade non-toxic chemicals and some of the original plant matter. They also said the only solvent they use is pure drinking water. So it’s basically food grade. Regardless of their THH being food grade, it is "NOT SOLD FOR CONSUMPTION" the same as the harmaline tincture, and the same as mimosa, San Pedro, etc. It’s the FDA that enforces this, not the sellers. The sellers would love to say that their mimosa is sold for ingestion, but they cannot without getting into legal trouble.
boylobster
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SWIM reports having taken 300mg THH orally, dissolved into ~30ml of water. SWIM waited 20 minutes, then swallowed 20mg unrefined DMT from a mimosa extraction, dissolved in a solution of lemon juice and water.
After about 30-40 minutes, SWIM definitely began to feel the effects of the THH (similar in nature to those reported by others) - very slight dizziness, relaxation of the extremities, slight imbalance, etc. Relatively subtle but noticeable, not strong enough to be unpleasant.
No other effects were felt by SWIM. SWIM doesn't understand why his experiences with THH and now THH+DMT seem to be so much weaker than those reported by others, and reports feeling kinda' frustrated. The DMT SWIM consumed, while not purified, is most definitely active when smoked, so SWIM doesn't believe that to be an issue. Any advice anyone has for SWIM in this regard would be welcome, before SWIM capitulates to frustration and starts gulping down unwise quantities of both substances.
After about 30-40 minutes, SWIM definitely began to feel the effects of the THH (similar in nature to those reported by others) - very slight dizziness, relaxation of the extremities, slight imbalance, etc. Relatively subtle but noticeable, not strong enough to be unpleasant.
No other effects were felt by SWIM. SWIM doesn't understand why his experiences with THH and now THH+DMT seem to be so much weaker than those reported by others, and reports feeling kinda' frustrated. The DMT SWIM consumed, while not purified, is most definitely active when smoked, so SWIM doesn't believe that to be an issue. Any advice anyone has for SWIM in this regard would be welcome, before SWIM capitulates to frustration and starts gulping down unwise quantities of both substances.