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ok then ill ask you again, what has he accomplished? a good voting record is great but if this man is the answer to our problems i would think he would have something major to show us he has accomplished. its not easy to get things done in govt., thats my point ray. im not attacking ron paul as much as i feel our political system is flawed.

i dont see people not supporting the man i think we are just being more realistic about what he can do vs. what he wants to do. its not wrong to be practical about a candidates likelyhood of success, in fact its a good reason to support a politician. yes we need major change but i dont think its as easy as you are thinking. sorry if this upsets you so much.

your clearly very passion filled about this and sometimes with great passion comes blinders to the big picture.
 
one thing he has done is voted to uphold the constitution every singe time hes voted in congress..... upholding the constitution, thats the oath of office.

Imagine that Ron Paul gets elected and starts to make changes for the better and you were never a part of it because you just didn't believe it was possible, what a shame that would be.
 
hes voted to uphold the constitution on every single vote in congress , yes he wants to do some good things, you have to want to do them before you can do them, noone else even wants to do anything, wouldent you rather have a president that at least intends on trying to make change? in the words of wayne gretzky, ' you miss 100% of the shots you don't take'
 
Seriously, US politics on the nexus? Please give us non-US people a break, or at least keep the politics limited into one thread.
 
tele said:
Seriously, US politics on the nexus? Please give us non-US people a break, or at least keep the politics limited into one thread.
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i think tele just made the best point's in this thread. your right we shouldn't be bogging the nexus down with u.s. political crap. thanks for pointing this out. :)
 
I disagree with that , there are threads here about ridiculous stuff.... someone makes a thread called 'cornbread pizza appreciation thread' ( no offense to that thread I thought it was awesome) and thats great, but when it comes to defending personal liberty and freedom we shouldn't bog the nexus down with that crap?

this is the biggest issue of our time, and one that directly relates to the subject of this forum in that Ron Paul will do everything he can to end the witch hunt against entheogen users.
 
RayOfLight said:
this is the biggest issue of our time, and one that directly relates to the subject of this forum in that Ron Paul will do everything he can to end the witch hunt against entheogen users.
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No ray, this is the biggest issue of AMERICA's time, not the world and the fact that you will only stop if trav ask's you to even though it may be upsetting many other member's of this community is just plain selfish and un-brotherly.
 
American influence is all around the world, ask anyone thats getting bombed by them right now and they will tell you that whats happening in american politics is indeed affecting the whole world.


I've made my points on this so I have nothing more to say, I don't think expressing a political view on the nexus is unbrotherly in any way and I'm sorry you feel that way.

besides, if someone doesn't like the content of the thread they don't have to read it, if I see a thread that doesn't interest me I don't read it or post in it, but thats just me.

Its in the spirit of brotherhood that I posted in the first place, I want all of you to be free from tyranny, I think thats a good reason for posting.
 
Well these are just your opinions. When you are talking about personal liberty and all that it is concerning the whole world, it's just how you think. Actually most people besides americans couldn't care less about the US. Especially their politics. Usually US is disliked and that is no wonder as they try to control the world too much. And even that's with money that is not theirs, but enough of this political crap.

I appreciate if there is someone who is supposedly good politician, but I don't think this is the place to discuss it.
 
Let’s all remember that Ron Paul is still a Republican, and a Texas Republican to boot. Personally, I’ve had my fill of Texas Republicans as President.

He opposes the war on drugs, which is a good thing, but other than that, there’s very little in his platform that would benefit the average American. Republicans, including “Tea Party” Republicans, simply don’t represent the interests of most Americans. Unless you’re a very wealthy business owner, your most important interests, including your economic interests, are not being represented by the Republican Party.

Why is it that so many Americans repeatedly vote against their own best interests?
 
As the fading hegemony, American politics IS world politics. We are the World Bank, we are the IMF, we control/dictate policy (to a lesser and lesser degree) throughout the Global South and even amongst many industrial "first-world" powers. This all stems back to post-WWII and makes for fascinating reading (James Peck has covered the US National Security community's attitudes/policies amazingly well in Washington's China and Ideal Illusions). I'm not saying this is good or positive, but it is what it is. If you look at the policies of everyone from North Korea and Iran to the UK and Germany to Brazil and China, you can find US influence in a major way. Hell, look at NAFTA, CAFTA and GATT, through that alone the US has the Western Hemisphere (and more) locked down in "free trade" :roll:

I really don't see why this is being brought up again though...imo, we left this at "Ron Paul has made a bunch of promises he literally can't make/keep on his own and is therefore just as much of a liar/panderer as any other politician." I suppose this has been countered in this thread with

hes voted to uphold the constitution on every single vote in congress
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This, however, is nothing...first off, the constitution has been gutted, largely thanks to several crucial supreme court cases and legislature such as the PATRIOT ACTs I-IV. So upholding legally irrelevant ideals that this country once touted is being equated with "doing something"...which is false. Secondly, who finances Ron Paul? This is something I have put forth in a number of threads and have seen zero replies to...this combined with the empty promises already discussed makes me feel that a1pha's post is dead-on. We're beating a dead horse; the same ideological argument is being presented with the same dearth of evidence in support of it.
 
No ray, this is the biggest issue of AMERICA's time, not the world and the fact that you will only stop if trav ask's you to even though it may be upsetting many other member's of this community is just plain selfish and un-brotherly.
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why are people so bothered by ray's posts? stop clicking on the ones that say 'ron paul' in the title. i think it is "unbrotherly" to ask someone to keep their opinions silent because you don't like the opinions or have an issue with how realistic the opinion is. really just stop open the ron paul threads and it won't affect you anymore. *shrug*
 
Ron Pauls financial support comes from grassroots supporters and internet generated money bombs.

thanks Elru for pointing out the obvious.
 
^ thats all true, I believe that magical things happen when you make an effrot against the odds, the universe clears a path for those that try. I know its true because it happens to me all the time.

Ron paul is the only candidate that doesn't represent the status quo, the only candidate that even WANTS change , in order to accomplish something you must first want it, now even if there was a one in a million change Ron Paul can do what he wants to do I think its worth taking.

In the words of wayne gretzky you miss 100% of the shots you dont take'
 
gibran2 said:
Let’s all remember that Ron Paul is still a Republican, and a Texas Republican to boot. Personally, I’ve had my fill of Texas Republicans as President.

He opposes the war on drugs, which is a good thing, but other than that, there’s very little in his platform that would benefit the average American. Republicans, including “Tea Party” Republicans, simply don’t represent the interests of most Americans. Unless you’re a very wealthy business owner, your most important interests, including your economic interests, are not being represented by the Republican Party.

Why is it that so many Americans repeatedly vote against their own best interests?
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AGREE. I don't get the Ron Paul appeal at all, he wants to dismantle freaking PUBLIC EDUCATION for crying out loud, not to mention a lot of other very beneficial government institutions. And the flat tax is completely regressive. Is it really just the ending the war on drugs thing that drives people to Ron Paul? This country and the vast majority of its people would suffer if his ideas were put into practice. Surprised to see so many here support Ron Paul.

What this country needs right now to be consistent with the standards of most other industrialized nations is to improve government programs that benefit the poor (healthcare, education, public transportation, job placement, etc.).

But on the other hand it's somewhat distasteful to mix politics and DMT...
 
RayOfLight said:
Ron Pauls financial support comes from grassroots supporters and internet generated money bombs.
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Oh? Is that all?

Ron Paul's top individual contributers in 2008:

US Army-----------------$78,056
US Navy-----------------$56,769
US Air Force------------$55,405
Google Inc--------------$52,801
Microsoft Corp----------$47,923
US Postal Service-------$26,591
Hewlett-Packard---------$25,318
Lockheed Martin---------$23,425
Cisco Systems-----------$23,007
Boeing Co---------------$22,434
Verizon Communications--$19,944
Wachovia Corp-----------$19,629
US Dept of Defense------$19,198
General Dynamics--------$18,506
AT&T Inc----------------$17,946
Northrop Grumman--------$16,907
JPMorgan Chase & Co-----$16,072
Apple Inc---------------$15,903
Raytheon Co-------------$15,830
General Electric--------$15,000

Source

Funds contributed by industry in 2008

1 Retired-----------------$1,077,144
2 Computers/Internet------$754,752
3 Health Professionals----$571,328
4 Real Estate-------------$369,349
5 Misc Business-----------$356,793
6 Misc Finance-------------$325,020
7 Education---------------$320,415
8 Securities & Investment-$300,186
9 Business Services-------$290,816
10 Other-------------------$287,827
11 Republican/Conservative--$251,947
12 Lawyers/Law Firms--------$250,717
13 Civil Servants/Public Officials--$212,449
14 Construction Services----$187,105
15 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing-------$140,114
16 General Contractors------$129,548
17 TV/Movies/Music------------$124,366
18 Printing & Publishing--------$122,160
19 Oil & Gas-------------------$118,581
20 Special Trade Contractors--------$115,761

Source

Stats for Ron Paul's "Liberty PAC" for the 2012 campaign (thus far)

Total Receipts--------$1,201,959
Total Spent-----------$959,941
Begin Cash on Hand----$90,104
End Cash on Hand------$332,122
Debts-----------------$0

source

Seems a little more hard-core with the Washingtonian money-grubbing than you presented Ray...
 
I guess its all about what percentage of his support comes from grassroots as opposed to other candidates
 
wtf is the post office doing sending money!? is this why stamps are like 50 cents now?!?!

i cant get the link for your first source to work. im curious what the numbers are for other candidates to get an idea what this means in relation to others.

i think that it is hard to ask what ron paul has DONE because his thing is that he votes against bills. this means that he's trying to prevent government action rather than support it. i'm curious to know if there are any bills he has swayed the debate on and achieved a success in keeping it from being passed. anyone know?
 
Fixed the link elru...but also, remember, one does not a competent politician make by just voting against bills. There are things that can be done from the seat of political power...but more importantly (and seemingly ignored as we continue this discussion that I thought was essentially resolved a while ago) he can't uphold his campaign promises (as acknowledged by both those who support and oppose him)...so why are we even continuing this discussion?

EDIT: As to the post office and other groups, it is not they who send the money directly, but their PACs (and now SUPERPACs).
 
elru said:
i think that it is hard to ask what ron paul has DONE because his thing is that he votes against bills. this means that he's trying to prevent government action rather than support it. i'm curious to know if there are any bills he has swayed the debate on and achieved a success in keeping it from being passed. anyone know?
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