The Right to Bare (Bear...by popular demand) Arms

[joedirt]

In egypt, in the rural areas, everybody HAS arms. And as for the big delta megalopolis: i'm glad that most people on the libertysquare didn't have arms with them, because it would have turned into an even bigger disaster for sure.

There already has been a thread on gun possesion. It's a useless debate. In places where everybody already has arms, you cannot take these away from the people. Simple prisonersdillemma matrix is sufficient to see why. In places where nobody has arms, it's very worthwile keeping it that way.

In short: i see why in places like america or saudi arabia, you cannot demand from people to deliver their arms. But where i live, no-one has firearms and i consider that a precious situation that i would want to keep the way it is as much as possible. If someone breaks in to my neighbours house, i have no fear of chasing them away with only my fists because i know i won't get shot because the burglers don't have guns. If i would live in a place where everybody has guns though.....

Polytrip, I missed this post earlier, but I think you are spot on in regards to the prisoners delima. What I think you are wrong about is the part about the bad guy's not having guns in countries where gun ownership is illegal. Bad guy's don't seem to care about laws so much.... We humans made the mistake of starting an arms race with each other....our greatest achievement will be learning to dearm. If we don't achieve that I think we will perish as a species at some point in the next 1000 years. Yeah that was general as hell!

 

[narmz]

Ram Das with the rebound!

Thanks you for this. Interesting interview. I like the part about the monk..but alas the reality is that most of us will flee for the hills...very few of us alive can take the sword to the stomach and not flinch!

I don't think it is so much that you can take a sword to the stomach and not flinch, that's just a result of the mindset. I think the real idea behind it is that only in showing true unhindered compassion for another being, regardless of its initial intentions, do you bring about the means for real revolution (because you're breaking down the barrier between you and them and at the same time realizing the commonality you share). As soon as you pick up a gun you're participating in the game of violence which will undoubtedly end in bloodshed. You will never change the minds of those who are violent by confronting them violently. You have to shake them to their core with compassion and break down the separation between oppressor and oppressed, meet them on the same level - you will never do this with weapons - it will always be us vs. them unless you help them to realize their true potential by exhibiting it, being compassion and strength - real strength - the kind that actually matters.

 

[Ayawasqero]

Amerocentric topic. Let all Arabs have their guns and kill themselves... Hope the Jasmine revolution´ll spread in to the wider regions and all the Arab countries and African dictatorships dethrone and decapitate their U. S. supported dement dictators... Peace...

 

[Ayawasqero]

Ram Das with the rebound!

Thanks you for this. Interesting interview. I like the part about the monk..but alas the reality is that most of us will flee for the hills...very few of us alive can take the sword to the stomach and not flinch!

I don't think it is so much that you can take a sword to the stomach and not flinch, that's just a result of the mindset. I think the real idea behind it is that only in showing true unhindered compassion for another being, regardless of its initial intentions, do you bring about the means for real revolution (because you're breaking down the barrier between you and them and at the same time realizing the commonality you share). As soon as you pick up a gun you're participating in the game of violence which will undoubtedly end in bloodshed. You will never change the minds of those who are violent by confronting them violently. You have to shake them to their core with compassion and break down the separation between oppressor and oppressed, meet them on the same level - you will never do this with weapons - it will always be us vs. them unless you help them to realize their true potential by exhibiting it, being compassion and strength - real strength - the kind that actually matters.

Ahh,... two psychedelic geniuses discussing each other... the bliss... Hey there man, honest thanks for sharing!:lol: