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The True God
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sometimes when we have profound experiences that shake our notions of reality to the core, i think we can mistake this as being "the ultimate big picture" (not to mention we can construe this experience into all sorts of bizarre mental models--even completely delusional ones. I know because i've been there! ;] )..
That said, IMO we can definitely experience a greater depth of reality far beyond our ability to even english.. but i wouldn't be so quick to label this experience as being "IT"- since i think this is just another layering in the infinite layering of experiential reality
when it comes to this area, belief is the mind killer
That said, IMO we can definitely experience a greater depth of reality far beyond our ability to even english.. but i wouldn't be so quick to label this experience as being "IT"- since i think this is just another layering in the infinite layering of experiential reality
when it comes to this area, belief is the mind killer
I think there is an ultimate truth and I think we perceive this in a gradient like fashion based on our current level of awareness.
It helps me to remind myself that I may indeed have just discovered a deeper truth than I previously had, but that it in no way means I have discovered the final truth.
There is ALWAY's a higher truth...after all we are mere humans in a universe that is so vast we can't even comprehend it's entirety.
Alway's be humble and you will continue to have access to deeper truths, but once you let your ego become arrogant and declare that it has found the absolute you effectively cut yourself off from new truths.
Peace
It helps me to remind myself that I may indeed have just discovered a deeper truth than I previously had, but that it in no way means I have discovered the final truth.
There is ALWAY's a higher truth...after all we are mere humans in a universe that is so vast we can't even comprehend it's entirety.
Alway's be humble and you will continue to have access to deeper truths, but once you let your ego become arrogant and declare that it has found the absolute you effectively cut yourself off from new truths.
Peace
it makes sense to me that there will always be a higher truth..but then that also makes me think that the idea of an absolute truth makes not much sense really.
Then I start to sort of think that even the idea of a higher truth makes little sense really..because if there is always a higher truth and that sort of cancels out the idea of an absolute truth, than why is a higher truth any more relevant than any other truth..concidering that there is no higher truth that will reach any closer to an absolute truth..
So like, WTF?
I think there is truth, but it would never need to be called "absolute" becasue it is eternal and within anything and everything so it is just truth..and it has no end or beginning..everthing about it is actaully the antithesis of absolutism..
It's a creative force.
Where did it come from? Does the question even make any sense?
Then I start to sort of think that even the idea of a higher truth makes little sense really..because if there is always a higher truth and that sort of cancels out the idea of an absolute truth, than why is a higher truth any more relevant than any other truth..concidering that there is no higher truth that will reach any closer to an absolute truth..
So like, WTF?
I think there is truth, but it would never need to be called "absolute" becasue it is eternal and within anything and everything so it is just truth..and it has no end or beginning..everthing about it is actaully the antithesis of absolutism..
It's a creative force.
Where did it come from? Does the question even make any sense?
jamie said:
Very nicely worded....
I think the relative importance lies in or ability to either percieve a slice of that higher absoluteness or else see nothing that even resembles a truth in any way but is mere chaotic illusion.
I truly believe that human being can cultivate the ability to see more of the higher truth and less of a confused illusion. BUT only if they so desire.
I believe there are those who would rather embrace lies out of the comfort that it brings.
Eliyahu said:
Oh man. Jamie you hit the nail on the head. I now have a better visual of the idea of absolute truth. It seems like humans are defining the on going search for truth and how all that really does is open up new more complex questions and open ended answers. Much like DMT does with each experience. I also think each individuals idea of ultimate or absolute truth holds different meaning and can be reached for some.
It isn't that far fetched to hold that psychadelics could have played a major role in the creation of nor the possibility that humans came to the conclusion of actual truth of religion through its use. I think a ton of experiences, if interpreted correctly could be seen as what some would call te ultimate truth, a glimpse at it, or something similar.
Either way if you believe in anything, it's probably the same thing, just a different interpretation of it. Maybe?
jamie said:
I don't disagree.
I think the truth is the truth.
But our ability to understand/perceive the truth changes all the time.
When I talk about higher truths I'm talking about a greater ability of us to perceive the truth.
An example/analogy would be to ponder the difference between a child's understanding of reality with your current understanding of reality. Reality has not changed, but our ability to discern it does and has...and it is not alway's increasing. People go up and down the perceptual ladder. Life is not static. We are alway's moving growing or shrinking...ever morphing...much like the visions we all love.
But ultimately yes the truth is the truth..
spiritual7pioneer
Rising Star
The true religion is self-realization.
The first step is knowing what you truly are, a spirit soul.
We are put in this human life to find god, and seperate ones self from the continuous cycle
of birth and death in the material world.
Hare Krsna!
The first step is knowing what you truly are, a spirit soul.
We are put in this human life to find god, and seperate ones self from the continuous cycle
of birth and death in the material world.
Hare Krsna!
Inner Paths
Secretary of the Interior
As stated earlier, psychedelics are just a catalyst or tool for reaching into the most divine part of self. If you'd like to call that most divine part of self God, or YHWH, or even Beezelbub is entirely up to you, and is merely an abstraction so the human mind can grasp the ineffable, but calling the tool (ie; psychedelic) that got you there as the only True God is IMO a bit limiting and shortsighted. And also is underestimating the beauty that is within you and all of us, at our innermost core, as divine beings.
Kinda like mistaking the finger pointing at the moon as being the moon itself.
And as far as Truths... I really don't have the foggiest and I could very well be completely wrong in my response
Kinda like mistaking the finger pointing at the moon as being the moon itself.
And as far as Truths... I really don't have the foggiest and I could very well be completely wrong in my response
InnerPathsToOuterSpace said:
My belief is that we are just the catalyst or tool.
"We are only the earthenware jars that hold this treasure, to make it clear that such an overwhelming power comes from God and not from us."
-- 2 Corinthians, 4,7 (St. Paul)
Whatisreal
Rising Star
somaeye said:
Exactly. It depends on perspective. We are the tool on a larger scale but looking from our pov the medicine is the tool. Or one of the tools...
Whatisreal said:
In other words, Psychedelics are the essence of Life - the essence of consciousness. Compared to Them, we are like dead people.
"Tools" are usually dead things. In the 60's people called ingesting Psychedelics "tripping". They thought of Psychedelics as dead (drug) vehicles to transport them to the "heavens".
My belief and understanding is that we are like the dead vehicles that transport Psychedelics. But through that belief, as person can come to what St. Paul calls "true Life".
"A pagan does not die, for they have never lived in order that they may die. Those who have believed the truth have found Life, and this one is in danger of dying, for they are Alive." - Gospel of St. Phillip (Gnostic)
So, in your opinion, those who have achieved a higher state of consciousness without using psychedelics are "dead people"? Sufis and tibetan monks are "dead people"?
You don't need psychedelics to explore truths and beyonds. We all love our special molecules, but no matter how amazing catalysts they are, seeing them as the be-all-end-all of life and consciousness is a little far from reality.
You don't need psychedelics to explore truths and beyonds. We all love our special molecules, but no matter how amazing catalysts they are, seeing them as the be-all-end-all of life and consciousness is a little far from reality.
whatever the true god is its an amazing artist thats for sure
Inner Paths
Secretary of the Interior
somaeye said:
Interesting view, definitely got the old cranium ticking :twisted: I guess you could view our body and matter as a catalyst or tool for the spirit, and then our spirit is the catalyst or tool for the godhead and so on and so forth into the infinite.....
