Trying to improve Acacia information

[nen888]

..hey good to see you back acacian..!

... perhaps I worded my previous post badly - I believe Gnostic faith to be sacred and holy . Encounters with what seems to be a divine intelligent presence , seemingly the creation of life , has left me awestruck , humbled and a believer .... [ apparently , after the evolution of Roman orthodox Christianity the Gnostics were persecuted as heretics .... " beliefs and teachings were systematically suppressed and outlawed , slowly eradicating the very esoteric roots and traditions from which the great prophet Jesus Christ originally emerged from " ... ..." In the year 381 AD Theodosius finally made heresy a crime against the state . Gnostic writings were condemned as a " hotbed of manifold perversity ", which " should not only be forbidden , but entirely destroyed and burned with fire " { Luke A Myers . Gnostic Visions , p. 218 }. ..." The reason why much of the early Christianity has become lost and is so greatly misunderstood today is because of the fact that after the Roman Empire claimed to hold the one true source of Christianity , thus claiming orthodoxy , they named all other forms of Christianity including the Gnostics as heretics , viewing their religious beliefs as well all other religious traditions as perverse forms totally misguided from the one truth that was the written word of God " . { ibid } ] .... " Augustine , the great spokesman for Catholic Christianity , expressed the mood of the times when he explained that coercion was necessary since many people only respond to fear . Military force was " indispensable " in suppressing heretics for their own good , of course . Augustine proclaims : " filled with fear myself , I fill you with fear." The spirituality of St. Paul and Jesus was love and knowledge and now only a few hundred years later was replaced by the Roman churches religion of obedience and terror." {ibid}.

..i hear you Major Tom..i concur, though want to say that essentially i am an (as the Dalia Lama calls it) 'Pluralist',
not unlike the Gnostics who accepted different religions within their overarching viewpoint..i accept the many branches of the same tree..hence i honour and respect all the worlds genuine spiritual traditions..the greatest teacher of spirit in my life has been the Acacia..through it i sense the many souls who have sat 'under the tree'..that picture of the crown of thorns? yeah, i see Him there..but i also see His companion and confidant..Her..
..the soul it was said is Androgynous..see Gnosticism thread
..i have had the luck to sit with old 'masters', plant and human..what do i believe? ..Love is Real ..and.. there is one dreamer..
..treebooktheory: ponder dear Tom, with an understanding of the Egyptian roots of Alchemy, this..Moses (trained by the egyptian priests, and obviously a brown skinned man btw) 'parted the red sea'..in the vestiges of early true early christianity that remained in catholicism we know the Sea as Maria..the 'virgin' meaning (in gnosticism) 'she who begat all but was begat by none..' ..the 'totem' of Maria is the (thorn) tree..'o vigra vitissima'..
with water a red 'wine' emerges from the twigs of the akkis bush..now many knew this..but with the advanced alchemy of the egyptian priesthood the clever could 'part' the red sea..producing a smokable eucharist..(they probably got a few tips on their ancient voyages to australia too..) ..the instructions for the ritual of the eucharist could well be the instruction to 'construct' the Tabernacle, as given by Abraham..
..under the acacia tree its spirit sees through our eyes, and through it's eyes see the eyes of the Great Tree..the 'spirit'..as above so below..the tree of knowledge is the middle plane..the gatekeeper..
ps. as far as i can tell, and from having grown it, i would say Kangaroo Thorn (A. paradox) is the closest relative of these middle eastern trees of perceived divinity..
and phyllode, Great photos.., powerful bird..the first acacia one i'm seeing John baptising Yesu..!, and the last..golgotha for some reason..spooky..nice looking grass too..thanks for mentioning Phillip K. Dick..he imagined half of us would move to Mars..or so the Vast Active Living Intelligence System probably told him....stage 3 Martian Terraforming, after CO2 build-up, and single-celled plants, would be the nitrogen fixers (tree+nodes)

Acacia paradoxa (Kangaroo Thorn)
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[nen888]

..acacian wrote:

The phyllodes are not as sharp, erect or short as the mucronata I posted up earlier.. but instead quite papery and a bit longer..

.. they are both in seed at the moment so I collected some pods... they are identical on both trees. same length, colour texture, same seed size.. curled the same way.. literally identicle.

..the difference between A. maidenii and A. mucronata pods is very clear, the former twisted/coiled, the latter not..aril slightly different too..can you post pics..? Maidenii should not be flowering now..

 

[acacian]

..acacian wrote:

..the difference between A. maidenii and A. mucronata pods is very clear, the former twisted/coiled, the latter not..aril slightly different too..can you post pics..? Maidenii should not be flowering now..

that photo was from a while back. the tree was in flower at the same time the other mucronata was... september or october .. can't quite remember though. the new growth looks basically the same as the mucronata, though the mature growth has larger phyllodes. what do you think about the pods being the same as the other mucronata? could growth conditions have something to do with its variance?

 

[acacian]

and yes will post pics of pods in the next half hr

 

[acacian]

so here are the pods.. sorry i didn't separate them because they were the same just chucked them in the bag. pod length = 8.5cm

 

[nen888]

<..mucronata..acacian..

 

[acacian]

ok cool. the other thing.. the younger sprouts on that mature tree looked much the same as mucronata. maybe it was just a bit varied from the growing conditions.. was in a woodchip garden bed and less exposed to sun

boiling the other confirmed mucronata at the moment. will report results soon!

 

[The Meddling Monk]

Phyllode shape is not considered by botanists a key ID feature of Acacias. Pods, seeds, Flowers are the defining features usually, especially between species with similar leaves.
As you said acacian growing conditions may play a role. timeloop said said similar about melanoxylon. Thanks for the report!

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

was in a woodchip garden bed and less exposed to sun

i know with pereskiopsis, lack of light leads to long thin leaves, whereas abundant light leads to short round ones.

not that these plants are really related, but stretching the leaves may function as a way to increase light absorption...

 

[The Meddling Monk]

Parshvik Chintan wrote:

not that these plants are really related, but stretching the leaves may function as a way to increase light absorption...

This sounds like a good theory. I also associate thinner leaves with drier conditions, but IDK for sure.

 

[acacian]

Thanks Parvshvik Chintan and Meddling Monk! :thumb_up:

could woodchips maybe hold back some of the moisture from the soil too?

 

[nen888]

^..in Marion Simmons expert Acacia Growing Guide here she says not to put wood chip right up to the treelet base..leave a few inches around..to stop rot one reason..also, standard mainly woodchip based potting mix is not good for rasing acacias..it does dry out the moisture..i've seen many small acacias with phyllode browning and retartded slow growth from being in such wood chip mixes..sandy loam/perlite/moss is much better..

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

also, standard mainly woodchip based potting mix is not good for rasing acacias..it does dry out the moisture..

but as water-stressing increases alkaloid content, it could be good to add to mature (ready to harvest) ones, yes?

 

[nen888]

..it's good to grow the tree up with as much regular watering (without allowing rot) as possible over a few years..once the tree is a good size, then one could moisture stress it to perhaps increase alkaloids (not known for sure) ..acacias in the wild in tougher conditions without a lot of rain take years to reach a couple of feet..!

..some images below of some australian Acacias growing in California, and then
Acacia retinodes growing in Canada!

 

[acacian]

california looks like paradise

 

[nen888]

..Acacia paradoxa is a very interesting plant..no known chemical tests..

Acacia paradoxa provides a valuable resource for birdlife, often forming dense, spiny thickets that are ideal as nesting sites for small insectivorous birds such as Superb Fairy Wrens and White-browed Scrubwrens . Many fascinating invertebrates including mealybugs, flower-wasps, weevils, ants and spiders will be found among the leaves, flowers, pods, bark and wood.

pictured: superb fairy wren in kangaroo thorn; and superb parrots in Acacia hakeoides..

 

[Spice Sailor]

Hey there all you human Acacia allies, hope you are all well. I had hoped to post some results on Acacia macradenia and leiocalyx in the extraction work space as mentioned month or so ago but sadly lost all my images and related notes in hard drive failure. Suffice to say the results were good and second experiments will be conducted to confirm initial results and findings will be posted as originally intended.

Really happy to see some new species that people have had sucess with being shared. Thanks to those who shared.

Regards, Spice Sailor.

 

[acacian]

well done Spice Sailor! good to have you back.. its been a while mate

look forward to seeing your results!
hope your well

so far looking good for the already identified mucronata.. much more precipitate formed than last time. 120g semi dry phyllodes were used

 

[nen888]

..yeah good to hear from you Spice Sailor..
hard-drive failure..!ahh..i feel your pain..glad the results were good at least..!

i thought as i mention her a bit, i'd give you some good medicine music..
from Hildergard von Bingen, visionary mystic and ecstatic nun 11th century..
i quite like the wikipedia entry:

Herbal medicine
Hildegard also wrote Physica, a text on the natural sciences, as well as Causae et Curae. Hildegard of Bingen was well known for her healing powers involving practical application of tinctures, herbs, and precious stones. In both texts Hildegard describes the natural world around her, including the cosmos, animals, plants, stones, and minerals.

She combined these elements with a theological notion ultimately derived from Genesis: all things put on earth are for the use of humans. She is particularly interested in the healing properties of plants, animals, and stones, though she also questions God's effect on man's health. One example of her healing powers was curing the blind with the use of Rhine water.

she also wrote a lot of great music
so, in honour and praise of the Thorn Tree:
"O Tu Suavissima Virga" which means "Oh sweet twig"..
[YOUTUBE]

 

[nen888]

..and here are some sweet twigs to sample..Acacia nilotica, common in africa and india, published report 'tryptamine and harmane derivatives' in leaf [Oliver-Bever 1986], reports of successful and good dmt extractions from bark by phlux..mind the thorns..