Using caapi for severe depression

[Dorge]

This is a great post! I think that this is a wonderful remedy for depression.
I wonder... Do you smoke dmt or changa ever?
Really sharp to work with he alks daily like this. Rimas are perfect medicine for depression. Psychology today recently did an article inkling term ssri use and it's cause of tarditive dysphoria. A decrease in overall mood functioning. It isn't a good outcome. When I was younger they always said that ssris needed to be used short term and in conjunction with psychotherapy. That's not the case now. People take paxil for life, without any real therapy.
These rimas are wonderful, and with the inclusion of a tryptamine act as a psychotherapy session as well as medication.
Amazing medicine...

 

[DJ_Truthseek]

Thank you for this post! I've been wondering for a long time the effectiveness of rimas for depression and anxiety. Has anyone tried syrian rue extract? I found a pure one online at harmalashop.com Only tried it a few times cause I wasn't sure about doing it regularly. I think I'll order some caapi though to try it and compare. The syrian rue seems a little cheaper though and I did notice an uplift in mood. I'll do more testing. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

 

[magickpsychonaut]

Thanks for that link to the harmalashop.com. How long had you been using it and how many caps a day or week did you use for dosage? Are there any side effects such as sleepiness or visuals?

Thank you for this post! I've been wondering for a long time the effectiveness of rimas for depression and anxiety. Has anyone tried syrian rue extract? I found a pure one online at harmalashop.com Only tried it a few times cause I wasn't sure about doing it regularly. I think I'll order some caapi though to try it and compare. The syrian rue seems a little cheaper though and I did notice an uplift in mood. I'll do more testing. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

 

[MelCat]

The Cap M Quick machine holds 50 gel caps, so I use 2 x (1 gram caapi copy 200x) per 50 gel caps. I mix that with on teaspoon of regular caapi powder thouroughly and the fill the caps and then top them.

So if I follow this correctly, you're using roughly 40mg of caapi alks (1000mg / 25 = 40mg) along with whatever alks are in 1/50th of a teaspoon of regular caapi powder. Which I would assume, probably isn't much.

That's amazing that such a small amount of alkaloids can have such a profound effect over time.

I just received some of the 4:1 ayahuasca extract so I plan on doing a Gibran A/B on 100g and using the extracted alks with some of the 4:1 powder in caps as you suggest.

My girlfriend lost her son 2 years ago in a motorcycle accident so depression has been an ongoing battle around here.

I really hope this can help bring both of us some relief.

EDIT: Just started the boiling process and it smells delicious

 

[magickpsychonaut]

Yes my cat uses that dosage and has upped it to 2 grams of 200x caapi copy per 50 gelcaps. My has been virtually free of the depression, the back beat of anxiety, anger, sadness and frustration is no longer there. Also, he's not just had the symptoms alleviated, but in some way he's been able to have this plant counselor show him how to heal himself permanently. The progress is slow, but he suspects it is because it is at his own pace. One thing my cat has noticed now is a sensitivity to junk food and caffeine. He can no longer tolerate coffee or cocacolas. If he drinks just a cup, he will become extremely irritible and his whole system is just off key the entire day. He does not know if this is just peculiar to his own body chemistry or if this is a common effect of consuming the alks. He also can no longer eat from fast food places, and has not had cravings to overeat at all. He has so far lost just a couple of pounds and his pant sizes have gotten 2 sizes smaller without doing any kind of health exercises or dieting.

My cat is also using the same 4:1 powder now and doing a Gibran2. He used one of his girlfriend's panty hose socks and poured the powder into the sock. He had already boiled the powder in liquid, so he boiled it down to a sludge and then draped the panty hose sock over a large plastic cup and then scooped the sludge into the sock, tied a knot and then put it an pot to boil, virtually creating a make shift oversized "tea bag". He has been boiling it in a crock pot for 45 hours now. (HE thinks that his previous attempts at extraction failed due to not boiling long enough)

This helps you deal with life's terrible downs, and although it won't eliminate your ability to express a wide range emotions, including anger and sadness, it will take that constant 24/7 back beat away and give you the choice to choose at which time you want to express certain emotions. Let me know you do and feel free t post more questions. This is a work in progress and whatever information we provide about our experiences is going to help a lot of people in the future, I suppose.

So if I follow this correctly, you're using roughly 40mg of caapi alks (1000mg / 25 = 40mg) along with whatever alks are in 1/50th of a teaspoon of regular caapi powder. Which I would assume, probably isn't much.

That's amazing that such a small amount of alkaloids can have such a profound effect over time.

I just received some of the 4:1 ayahuasca extract so I plan on doing a Gibran A/B on 100g and using the extracted alks with some of the 4:1 powder in caps as you suggest.

My girlfriend lost her son 2 years ago in a motorcycle accident so depression has been an ongoing battle around here.

I really hope this can help bring both of us some relief.

EDIT: Just started the boiling process and it smells delicious

 

[gibran2]

Yes my cat uses that dosage and has upped it to 2 grams of 200x caapi copy per 50 gelcaps. My has been virtually free of the depression, the back beat of anxiety, anger, sadness and frustration is no longer there.

What exactly is “200X” caapi? Even average strength caapi contains at least 1% alkaloids (I’ve had content as high as 3%), so 100 times the unextracted alkaloid concentration (100X) would be pure alkaloids. I think these “X-factor” extracts are just a marketing ploy.

On topic, I agree that low dose caapi alkaloids (20-30mg sublingual) seem to have a mood-improving and mood-stabilizing effect, even when not taken daily. Powerful medicine.

 

[Saidin]

What exactly is “200X” caapi? Even average strength caapi contains at least 1% alkaloids (I’ve had content as high as 3%), so 100 times the unextracted alkaloid concentration (100X) would be pure alkaloids. I think these “X-factor” extracts are just a marketing ploy.

200x caapi means that you multiply the amount you take by 200, and that roughly equals the amount of whole caapi you would take. Therefore if you take 200mg of Caapi Copy that would equal roughly 40g of whole Caapi. Of course caapi varies in strength, but it gives you a general idea of how much to take...

 

[gibran2]

What exactly is “200X” caapi? Even average strength caapi contains at least 1% alkaloids (I’ve had content as high as 3%), so 100 times the unextracted alkaloid concentration (100X) would be pure alkaloids. I think these “X-factor” extracts are just a marketing ploy.

200x caapi means that you multiply the amount you take by 200, and that roughly equals the amount of whole caapi you would take. Therefore if you take 200mg of Caapi Copy that would equal roughly 40g of whole Caapi. Of course caapi varies in strength, but it gives you a general idea of how much to take...

Yes, I understand that, but it's a misleading marketing ploy. 40g of average caapi with 1% alkaloids contains about 400mg alkaloids - not 200mg, so "200X caapi" in this case should be called "100X" I suppose. So rather than call it "200X caapi", it would be better for us consumers if we knew what percent is alkaloids: "50% alkaloid extract", "25% alkaloid extract", etc.

These "X-factors" are used all the time in salvia extract marketing, and the numbers are practically meaningless.

 

[azrael]

Maybe the 200x is a homeopathic rating. Homeopaths do throw out some pretty big numbers that are very technical. 200x caapi is probably just the homeopathic "essence" of caapi (highly highly highly diluted caapi extract) tossed in with some harmalas to make it effective for those of us whom are not homeopathic responders like myself. If this is indeed the case then just how many and what kind of harmalas could vary from batch to batch as long as the "essence" is still present. Although some might only be concerned with this "essence" and not so much the actual harmala content, I agree that listing alkaloid content like gibran2 suggested would satisfy a wider variety of customers.

I don't buy questionable products.

Using the easy caapi tek is not only cheap and rewarding, it also helps the experimenter get consistent and reliable dosage information.

Regarding the thread's original topic: ~50mgs of caapi alkaloids obtained with the simple caapi tek is great for a mood boosting effect.

 

[Dorge]

If it has actuall alks in it it can't be homeopathic.

 

[DJ_Truthseek]

Thanks for that link to the harmalashop.com. How long had you been using it and how many caps a day or week did you use for dosage? Are there any side effects such as sleepiness or visuals?

Thank you for this post! I've been wondering for a long time the effectiveness of rimas for depression and anxiety. Has anyone tried syrian rue extract? I found a pure one online at harmalashop.com Only tried it a few times cause I wasn't sure about doing it regularly. I think I'll order some caapi though to try it and compare. The syrian rue seems a little cheaper though and I did notice an uplift in mood. I'll do more testing. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

[/q]

I've only used it 3 or 4 times not for consecutive days in a row. I would use 200mg one cap in a day. No sleepiness or visuals. I actually felt more energetic. Its tough to draw conclusions without trying it more.

 

[magickpsychonaut]

I've only used it 3 or 4 times not for consecutive days in a row. I would use 200mg one cap in a day. No sleepiness or visuals. I actually felt more energetic. Its tough to draw conclusions without trying it more.

Would like to see you update with your own experimentation on this. I think this thread is important for a lot of people like myself who would like to have a way to stay connected when not journeying, but still want to be able to function within the framework of every day. I'm glad to see that you have been able to see some initial phases of success with it. At first I thought it was just me, but then reading the responses here I realize that others have also been curious and found some relief of psychological pain.

 

[magickpsychonaut]

What exactly is “200X” caapi? Even average strength caapi contains at least 1% alkaloids (I’ve had content as high as 3%), so 100 times the unextracted alkaloid concentration (100X) would be pure alkaloids. I think these “X-factor” extracts are just a marketing ploy.

200x caapi means that you multiply the amount you take by 200, and that roughly equals the amount of whole caapi you would take. Therefore if you take 200mg of Caapi Copy that would equal roughly 40g of whole Caapi. Of course caapi varies in strength, but it gives you a general idea of how much to take...

Yes, I understand that, but it's a misleading marketing ploy. 40g of average caapi with 1% alkaloids contains about 400mg alkaloids - not 200mg, so "200X caapi" in this case should be called "100X" I suppose. So rather than call it "200X caapi", it would be better for us consumers if we knew what percent is alkaloids: "50% alkaloid extract", "25% alkaloid extract", etc.

These "X-factors" are used all the time in salvia extract marketing, and the numbers are practically meaningless.

\My cat says that he's been able to get the same anti-depressant effects off 5 size 000 gelcaps filled with forestrx.com's 4:1 Ayahusca (caapi extract) as one size 1 gelcap filled with 50/50 caapi copy and regular caapi filler. (Please see initial posting about the amount of caapi copy that went into the size 1 gelcaps) Kitty does not think it is necessary to do any further extractions on the 4:1 as he was told by the forestrx staff that the extract is at 1%. The kitty cat does note that the effects of the 4:1 are much smoother than caapi copy, and that indeed there is a difference on how the body and mind feel on it. The kitty is definitely going to switch from caapi copy to the 4:1 and with the price being so low for 2 pounds of it and it being high quality, he has decided to just use the 4:1. Would appreciate anyone else's feed back on this and their comments

btw The forestrx staff says that the 4:1 extract is based on a water extraction, so there are no harmful chemicals used, could anyone offer a way to do a testing on this?

 

[Limeni]

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Given the title of this thread, a lot of people may be attracted in here who are currently on SSRIs (Fluoxetine, Sertraline etc). The combination of even low levels of a MAOI with SSRIs can have catastrophic effects...so you really need to be completely off them before starting to use the Caapi.

I had this exact experience this week. I am in the process of coming off SSRIs after more than 10 years, and am excited by the idea that Caapi extract might help where I have failed before. I was aware of the danger of "Serotonin Syndrome" when mixing these two substances, but I have reduced my SSRI intake to such a tiny level (< 5mg/day), and the amount of Caapi extract (20mg sublingually) seemed so tiny that I couldn't believe there would be a problem.

I didn't notice any particular effects after taking the Caapi extract, but an hour and a half later I was suddenly plunged into a full-on "Serotonin Syndrome" episode. This came in 10 minute waves of increasing severity, and was truly horrible. At each peak sweat was pouring from every pore, my heart area felt like it was on the verge of exploding or just breaking down altogether, muscle twitches and severe aches, and you could tell that the brain was being flooded with way too much Serotonin. It got to the point where it was so severe that I was seriously having to consider getting over to hospital for some emergency intervention - it is perfectly possible for people to die of this thing.

I know this place is full of debunky scientists, so you may not like this next bit , but at the absolute worst peak of it all, when it felt like my heart was about to give out, I screamed out (internally) to the 'power animal' that I had met on previous visits to a shaman, that I badly needed help to stop my body making Serotonin and to soak up what was already there...and more or less instantly the whole thing subsided, and I was bathed in this complete peace. I remembered that the whole process had been cyclical, so thought this might be a coincidence, and waited for the next peak to start...but it never did!

But in the days since then I have felt seriously rough, like my body had been in a real fight for survival.

Of course I feel embarassed to have been so stupid, but as I say, the doses were so low that I felt it could not happen. But I felt it was important to tell my story in case it helps anyone else avoid that potentially lethal (had the doses been higher) nightmare.

 

[Dorge]

Damn limeni.... That was very foolish. Glad your ok.
Great that your power animal stepped in.

 

[Dorge]

That's awesome the 4:1 extract! Much better deal! Swim knows a lot of people struggling with depression. This is going to be the new recommendation.

 

[MelCat]

Yeah, that 4:1 extract is great for putting in gelcaps or brewing. It's a real pain in the ass to extract it though.

When you brew it without vinegar it smells so freaking delicious!

 

[MelCat]

Of course I feel embarassed to have been so stupid, but as I say, the doses were so low that I felt it could not happen. But I felt it was important to tell my story in case it helps anyone else avoid that potentially lethal (had the doses been higher) nightmare.

Wow Limeni, I'm glad that you're ok.

Thank you for sharing this with us. Hopefully someone else will learn from your mistake.

Don't be embarrassed as long as you learned the lesson. Sometimes the school of hard knocks is the best teacher.

 

[Dorge]

Yeah, that 4:1 extract is great for putting in gelcaps or brewing. It's a real pain in the ass to extract it though.

When you brew it without vinegar it smells so freaking delicious!

How many of those caps does one need for an aya session?

 

[MelCat]

Yeah, that 4:1 extract is great for putting in gelcaps or brewing. It's a real pain in the ass to extract it though.

When you brew it without vinegar it smells so freaking delicious!

How many of those caps does one need for an aya session?

I believe the general consensus is it takes about 12g to equal a 50g brew. So depending on the size of your gelcaps it could take quite a lot.

I've gotten very good results from brewing 20g. I didn't even drink the whole brew and got mild visions. I'm still getting started with aya so I'm slowing working into the waters.