VG vs. B-loads and a difficult experience

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but a gvg is gonna have some waste too, atleast some of the time.

Of course if one applies too much heat, which is actually quite easy some times. But practice helps like with everything

 

[LoccdatDMT]

LoccdatDMT, how long has it been since this happened? Is he feeling better yet? I use a bong but with a bulb vaporizer. A friend and I decided we would work up to 60mg. I ended up stopping at 45mg, he took the whole 60mg. His experience was very strong, to say the least, and was terrifying as well. When he came back he was really emotional. He told me he didnt feel right until over a week.

Things that helped him work through what he had experience and help him integrate it was reading other "bad trips" on this web site. I recommend you have your friend do the same. He might relate to one or more, and it will help him atleast a little.

im not sure id say 2 weeks ago but i actually heard from friends that hes starting to come out of his robot monotone state i think 3 days ago. i cant talk to him about it. nobody can. he cant even describe the trip! he just shakes his head and says "worst fucking trip ever." "im not doing any drugs for a long time". this guy actually dose a shit load of acid and i gusse this trip has stopped that being a good thing or not. But anyway he cant remember any of it so im not sure if i can relate it to anything all i can say is its over

 

[LoccdatDMT]

but a gvg is gonna have some waste too, atleast some of the time.

Of course if one applies too much heat, which is actually quite easy some times. But practice helps like with everything

yep im almost positive thats what im doing i just need the ceramic filter. is it better to have the very tip of the flame in the ceramic or just hold it above?

 

[SnozzleBerry]

above...heat the ceramic with heat, not flame.

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

First off, a 60mg bongload is far too much for such a journey. You'd have been better off with 30-40 or in there. This man was not expecting such a punch, and that fear in the onset can and will modulate the entire trip. A ten gram mushroom trip will not lend much insight into the blast that is a whopper of a DMT bong load.

Secondly, it seems you have learned much about how DMT ought to be done safely. A room full of anxious onlookers, anxiously weighed doses and gnarly bong hits can be a recipe for a rough time.

I'm sure a good many of us have dosed friends badly, it's apart of life and a part of drugs... It is absolutely important that, if you are to introduce others to this substance, that you know with absolute surety what you are doing. More importantly though, it is imperative that you have the wisdom and compassion to give love, safety and guidance throughout the experience (which starts long before doses are smoked, and ends long after).
You must know the drug very well.
You must know the facts and know how to ensure safety.
You must know yourself.
You must know your path and its meaning. It is in this way that you can help others along their own.
You must have the grace to do only what is needed, and the responsibility to refrain from doing what should not be done.
You must be compassionate and relate to your friend who will be journeying. Like is known by like... get on their level and don't let them go it alone.
You must be open-hearted with others and let them be so with you. It is through this connection that we can truly help and guide each other.
You must have courage. Anxiety lends way to fear, fear lends way to terror, and terror kills the mind. Courage is having the grace to know what to do in the face of this fear. It is in this way we find within ourselves and give to others true strength.

I have seen friends slip through the cracks and spiral down the rabbit hole. It is not fun (especially "having been" there too), especially when it happens before your eyes and you haven't the grace to stop it.
What is important is that we do not go it alone... Be with your friend, let him know that you are sorry, let him know that you love and care for him, and be there to lend whatever assistance you can. It is the sharing of love and strength and the grace to always move to the light that heals these wounds and brings us from these dark places. There is no greater blessing than that of a true friend, remember that.

May everything be well for you and yours. These things take time and indeed will never truly "go away"... we are merely processes in process.

Godspeed
Hg

 

[anrchy]

LoccdatDMT, how long has it been since this happened? Is he feeling better yet? I use a bong but with a bulb vaporizer. A friend and I decided we would work up to 60mg. I ended up stopping at 45mg, he took the whole 60mg. His experience was very strong, to say the least, and was terrifying as well. When he came back he was really emotional. He told me he didnt feel right until over a week.

Things that helped him work through what he had experience and help him integrate it was reading other "bad trips" on this web site. I recommend you have your friend do the same. He might relate to one or more, and it will help him atleast a little.

im not sure id say 2 weeks ago but i actually heard from friends that hes starting to come out of his robot monotone state i think 3 days ago. this guy actually dose a shit load of acid and i gusse this trip has stopped that being a good thing or not.

My friend was exactly like this, I edited your post slightly to more reflect my friend. at work people were asking if he was ok, my friend too has extensive LSD experience. Although he can remember quite a bit. At first he wasnt interested in trying DMT at all. But over time he was able to integrate what he experienced. He has been game to trying more again, starting with a much lower dose of course.

I def. recommend you try and talk with your friend. You blasted him off, and even if he cannot remember what he experienced it would be good for him to talk about how it makes him feel atleast. Just the feelings he has are a direct representation of what he himself cannot remember. A lot of time the brain will black out memories in order to protect you.

I also recommend he, when he has healed from this extensively, doses again, but a much lighter dose of 15mg. This will help him relax, as he prolly has a fear of DMT and that alone will make it more difficult to integrate his experience, even if forgotten, into his life long term. You Do NOT want long term fears to go unattended.

 

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Bongs will do that. hehe I would know Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Especially taking a huge amount in one go..hehe. :shock:

 

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Most likely the trip wasn't inherently bad or the "worst trip ever", but the intensity of a 45+ dose in one go will crack the hardest of heads. The intensity can be unmatched and quite off putting for some upon re-entry into this reality.

I always weigh my dosages before dosing and I typically will spend several days with the person wishing to partake. We'll do various meditation/breath-work/visualization/etc. This helps settle to a degree the whirlwind of thoughts that go through the mind in our day-to-day. I've found it helps the person tremendously with their impending journey. Mindset's extremely overlooked by some but VERY important.

20-25mg in one go can provide plenty..especially to the inexperienced.

tat-tvam-asi

 

[Rivea]

It's like handling nitroglycerine. I have have had crazy amazing trips vaporizing no more ever than 45 mg. After reading this experience and several others, doses over 50 mg seem to be a recipe for a bad trip and a waste of good DMT. Good luck!