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Why you should NOT take DMT

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Well I have spent most of today (to the grest annoyance of my girlfriend I might add) Reading

this entire thread with great enthusiasm. I am only at the very beginning of my spice journey

(love the term spice big DUNE fan perfect analogy ) have only 2 subbreakthrough experiences

under my belt and currently considering a break through dose.... although after three hours of reading I am still none the wiser but then I didn't expect to be.

fantastic reading, thought provoking and exactly why I came to the nexus in the first place.

Although I know I can't prepare for a breakthrough I can at least educate my self on the possible aftermath ... OP you should be proud this thread still going strong in 2017....See you on the other side x
 
This is a beautiful thread, but I find the more I read about the Do's and Don't of DMT from people, it makes me somewhat more afraid.

As life goes on and on, I find entering a higher dose experience scares me more than anything.

I will definately go back to hyperspace again sometime, but everytime I enter the DMT space something stops me. either I am too blown away to take the last hit, or I feel I am not ready again.

Last time I was ready for a breakthrough, I was going for it, and on my last hit, the lighter ran out of gas... I was so frustrated..

but there will always be another chance, even if not in this lifetime haha.
 
Interesting Vovin. You write a detailed report on how to extract dmt, which is easily available all over the internet, and then create a thread telling peole why they shouldn't smoke dmt.

On second thought, after thinking about this for a moment, I came to realize that you might possibly feel responsible for helping people to do something that might not be in their best interest, and are simply stating the dangers involved. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to figure out what's going on here?

take care
 
GuruD said:
Interesting Vovin. You write a detailed report on how to extract dmt, which is easily available all over the internet, and then create a thread telling peole why they shouldn't smoke dmt.

On second thought, after thinking about this for a moment, I came to realize that you might possibly feel responsible for helping people to do something that might not be in their best interest, and are simply stating the dangers involved. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to figure out what's going on here?

take care
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The Nexus is centered around awareness and harm reduction, always. If we only encouraged people to ingest DMT simply because it is one of the most powerful experiences out there, we would be acting incredibly reckless. The Nexus is here so that people can learn the ins and outs of how to safely extract and use DMT (and other psychedelics), so it only stands to reason that someone new to DMT should consider both sides before making an informed decision. We also have support and integration techniques for people who do decide to take the plunge, whether they have a rough experience or not. This is a supportive community, and we value the safety and integrity of every member, new or otherwise.

This thread is to educate people, not to scare them away from trying DMT.
 
Great thread..

I had my first psychedelic experience with a full release dose of 5-MeO-DMT. Just when I got back to my normal self I had a strong feeling that EVERYBODY (that I care about) NEEDS TO TRY THIS. Just after that thought it hit me equally hard that NOBODY WILL EVER BE READY FOR THIS. I still feel the same and I think I will continue to do so for the rest of my life.
I recommend it deeply to people I care about and meet on my way - yet I try to scare the shit out of them if I sense they tread lightly. Basically I try to act like a miniature version of the substance itself so they can sense - if only just a bit - what they are up against.
 
GuruD said:
Interesting Vovin. You write a detailed report on how to extract dmt, which is easily available all over the internet, and then create a thread telling peole why they shouldn't smoke dmt.

On second thought, after thinking about this for a moment, I came to realize that you might possibly feel responsible for helping people to do something that might not be in their best interest, and are simply stating the dangers involved. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to figure out what's going on here?

take care
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The thing is sometimes we don't fully realize the impact that we have on the world and those in contact with us. Making the tek was a tool to help me explore DMT, I made it originally for myself because the current methods were downright dangerous. It was only an afterthought to make it public. I didnt really think much of it at the time and then shortly after I had a rather dramatic trip, read 'mass of the phoenix' and I spent the next 7 years trying to not think of DMT. In that hindsight of time I finally came to terms with what DMT gave me and what DMT cost me. Then I came back to the community out of curiosity only to learn my tek at the time was so revered.

Something I had done on a whim with little real thought had the effect of bringing one of the most powerful experiences a human can have in life to thousands no matter where they were, for good or for ill. I think in that perspective you can understand why I think a warning label is essential.
 
Bump.

One of my favorite threads. Not so much the title as the contents inside..

I like these:

vovin said:
There is a danger, even for the experienced user. Sometimes, rarely, one undergoes a particularly intense experience, It can be brought on by overdoing it but I have seen others report that is can come from normal dosages, Shattering the veil and breaking through the break through. This results in a ego death experience that has broken even the most experienced of users often enough to get them to shun this chemical and anything to do with it for some time possibly for good. It's a role of the dice when it will happen, maybe never for most, but for some it does come.
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Uncle Knucles said:
I appreciate the post, Vovin, and agree with it completely. I worry at times that we may be contributing to overly casual experimentation. From my own experience I can say that (for me) this thing does come with a price. I can't turn off the things I've seen. They are with me all the time.
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from Hyperspace Fool:
Change your life, stop lying, be better to people, channel what you receive through art, music, words or dance... go hiking, go surfing... whatever. Don't think you can just sit on the sofa taking changa rips and playing video games. You will have your ass handed to you in a guilded tesseract.
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This is true
stop lying, to yourself and everyone else, if theres a long chain of lies at work in your life, BREAK IT, come out, confess, just make it stop.

Having had a series of journeys with psilohuasca, my last journey which was by far the most challenging, the most difficult, and i'm sure i can't put into words the grip of the undeniable truth IN MY FACE, was almost as if i had been unawarely insane all my life, and by becoming aware of this, i had gone a level more crazy, that i had done it at last!

This stuff takes dedication, it takes sacrifice, sacrificing your tendencies, you sacrifice your addictions, you sacrifice these insane habits that have been ruining your life forever, they make you commit, they make you understand what true discipline means, and here comes the headline ...

"if you do not grow, you will pay."

im sure everyone can have their fun phase with these tools, im sure seeing fractals is good to understand fractals, im sure its good to experience joy and in general something outside your mind every once in a while... until you're crushed, annihilated, until you see every single time you've hurt someone racing in a timeloop in that hyper-reality and it will sting, it'll sting very bad, until you see every piece of affection you denied from your parents, until you see every injustice you did in the world, until you see your desperate try to escape and escape and escape, until you see the chains you put on yourself... until you see you didn't do yourself any good when you renounced your religion, until you see ALL you knew was and will be A LIE, until you see all this... and it doesn't come with a warning, it doesn't give you a head start, and if you back out in the middle of it, if you don't make it right, your life will be over
 
How amazing would it be if everyone in the world HAD to do this substance at least once per year in a controlled setting.

Then all the experiences were documented for the good of the world.
 
I'm terrified of this substance but I have the calling. I have had many bad trips before and also many good trips. Although I have only been on a business man's trip once the rest were Lucy and mooshy. I'm almost ready for my extraction but I would say I'm about 3 months away from being ready for launch. I suffer from anxiety so I'm getting into meditation to try and help.how will I know when the time is right for flight?
 
Space hopper said:
I'm terrified of this substance but I have the calling. I have had many bad trips before and also many good trips. Although I have only been on a business man's trip once the rest were Lucy and mooshy. I'm almost ready for my extraction but I would say I'm about 3 months away from being ready for launch. I suffer from anxiety so I'm getting into meditation to try and help.how will I know when the time is right for flight?
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I mean there have been moments when I found it to be terrifying to approach the substance but I pushed myself to do it and the experiences were wonderful.. I've also had it where I felt immensely gravitated toward it naturally. I feel like it's different for everyone to find out when to do it, and I don't think it's 100% wrong to take the trip even if you feel daunted by the thought of it... sometimes one must push themselves off the cliff within the realm of reason, of course I'm not saying do it if you're an extremely perturbed person. Here's my thing, if I'm feeling stable over time (mentally) and if I am in my head telling myself I want to do it (angst and shades of emotion aside) then I will do it. I will jump off the cliff and fly. Maybe you can find an answer in there.
 
There is no way to know if one is ready to use a mind altering substance.
DMT is a shock for your brain. It is an experiance impossible to conceive and I'm drenched in fear everytime I'm about to vaporize it. Just seconds afterwards however, the fear changes in amazement about this strange unreal world. A world I then realize, i've missed.

One advice I want to give. You might want to use a vasodilator to counteract the vasoconstrictive properties of DMT. A clove of galic might work wonders.
 
Wow.... I already get paranoid about my heart when tripping and you drop that bomb on me hahaha. I have actually been taking raw garlic cloves everyday for months now so in a way I'm slightly prepared. Does the come up hurt? I remember on acid once the come up was very uncomfortable slightly painful in my upper body and the back of my head kind of like electric shocks
 
Lsd is more vasoconstrictive than most psychedelics.. also it's stimulating and can have an electric kind of feel to it; that's actually how I usually describe the body feeling too.

Unless your physically predisposed to vascular problems you shouldn't have to worry about it.

Raw garlic is good stuff :thumb_up:
 
Yeah man It wasn't like singular electric shocks but more like constant waves of static psychedelic current.

how much more is the body load of dmt compared to acid?

i can not remember anything from my first dmt trip apart from a deafening buzzing sound. It was like I banged my head really hard and passed out my mates said I just fell to sleep.

Looking back on it we never used scales. Maybe I had a super dose and my brain just erased it as self defense....
 
When I vaped DMT the first time, I remember being reminded of a circulatory collapse. But that was just the come up. After that it's just exciting.
 
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