Acacia vs. Mimosa derived DMT--Does NMT content change effect?

[Harold the Hoot]

Hello folks, I've been lurking on here for years, but decided to try and learn more about the tryptamines.

I'm a chemist by training, and a few years ago had a nice yield of DMT from acacia confusa using an acid/base extraction. I only tried it a few times, but ended up sharing the love with friends so it went quick.

I'm hoping to explore dmt as part of an ongoing battle with depression. I intend to use it with great respect, and for it's therapeutic value.

I used acacia last time because it was significantly cheaper than mimosa. The cost of both has gone up significantly, but more importantly I've learned that Acacia, in addition to DMT, contains significant NMT. Some people claim that this can dramatically change the experience between the 2.

I have very little experience with DMT. 1 acacia extraction, 3 experiences smoking it.

For you folks who have more experience, can you provide a little info on how the presence or absence of NMT has on the effect?

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Thanks for any info!

 

[GnomesAndElvesInHarmony]

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They say NMT is in the yellower stuff from later pulls and the 'goo'. Others on here will be able to give more info on that. I thought it was more present in the later pulls and yellower and stickier/waxier type stuff.

Btw no talk of sourcing on here. Which is understandable.

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

This is an excellent question, which unfortunately I cannot answer. I can only offer this perspective:

Mimosa trees are pretty hardy and can sustain being hacked into. When I was a kid, I had several (not the active type) growing in my yard at one point, and my dad had quite a time trying to get rid of them. They just kept growing back.

Acacias can withstand some pruning, and will put out shoots of new growth in the areas they've been cut. In other words, harvesting their phyllodes, twigs and branch bark is sustainable. Ripping off trunk and/or root bark is not, and can kill the tree, or at least stunt its growth and make it less healthy.

 

[GnomesAndElvesInHarmony]

This is an excellent question, which unfortunately I cannot answer. I can only offer this perspective:

Mimosa trees are pretty hardy and can sustain being hacked into. When I was a kid, I had several (not the active type) growing in my yard at one point, and my dad had quite a time trying to get rid of them. They just kept growing back.

Acacias can withstand some pruning, and will put out shoots of new growth in the areas they've been cut. In other words, harvesting their phyllodes, twigs and branch bark is sustainable. Ripping off trunk and/or root bark is not, and can kill the tree, or at least stunt its growth and make it less healthy.

I heard the same. Mimosa can be invasive where they're not really originated from and become annoying for homeowners. In Australia the enthusiasts like to go after a storm or a good bit of wind to go get the stems from acacias. The rangers keep an eye out for the ones destroying the trees, but what's already on the ground like stems and branches then they don't care.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

You should wait for someone with more experience to chime in. But, in my limited experience NMT makes things a bit more "buzzy" and recreational and makes it last longer.
My favorite is an Acacia/Mimosa mix. Some, but less, NMT makes it last longer and it is still very visionary. I always do changa so a little NMT along with predosing with smoked Harmalas extends things and makes consumption to a desired level easier.

 

[blig-blug]

Mimosa still has some NMT, although I imagine less than Acacia (I have never extracted Acacia). A couple months ago I ran TLC on my DMT extracted from Mimosa and the spot corresponding to NMT was significant.

 

[Harold the Hoot]

The bark is going up for sure, importation regulations are getting tightened (depending where you live). It's why I bought 500g MHRB when I did and now got loads of DMT to last a very long time. MHRB is out of stock suddenly where I am now from the solid suppliers. I'm just glad I got a good bit of it now before all the commotion starts. They say NMT is in the yellower stuff from later pulls and the 'goo'. Others on here will be able to give more info on that. I thought it was more present in the later pulls and yellower and stickier/waxier type stuff.

Btw no talk of sourcing on here. Which is understandable.

As far as NMT and DMT, I think NMT should be a better base than DMT, and should be more soluble in acidic solution (although they both go in easily). A little reading indicated that NMT is around 1/3 the potency, but also that it is much less stable in air and degrades pretty quickly. I also read that mimosa is a little less variable in terms of DMT levels.

 

[Transform]

Btw no talk of sourcing on here. Which is understandable.

There's already been more than enough said in that direction in this thread. Tone it down please, and remove all mention of suppliers from your posts.

We've seen a lot discussion on the effects of NMT over the years, and most seem to agree that it does affect the qualitative effects of the experience.