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Dosing with Caapi

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tobecomeone00

tobecomeone00

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Alright, so I am aquiring caapi vine in order to brew Aya...I am taking the recommendation from everyone on the nexus to find my "sweet-spot" with a caapi only brew...In effect, what IS the sweet spot? I've never ingested this plant spirit, therefore have no expectations or fears..I do understand it will provide a psychadelic experience, but to what extent, and how does it mash up in an admixture?

Say, how will I know if the effects are strong/reasonable enough to go ahead and drink the mimosa brew to complete the ritual? I know it will probably take a few tries, but Is it one of those things where "i'll just know" when I find the spot? Just trying to avoid over-dosing myself with mixtures..lol
 
tobecomeone00 said:
Alright, so I am aquiring caapi vine in order to brew Aya...I am taking the recommendation from everyone on the nexus to find my "sweet-spot" with a caapi only brew...In effect, what IS the sweet spot? I've never ingested this plant spirit, therefore have no expectations or fears..I do understand it will provide a psychadelic experience, but to what extent, and how does it mash up in an admixture?

Say, how will I know if the effects are strong/reasonable enough to go ahead and drink the mimosa brew to complete the ritual? I know it will probably take a few tries, but Is it one of those things where "i'll just know" when I find the spot? Just trying to avoid over-dosing myself with mixtures..lol
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in my experience, in order for a caapi or rue only session to be really psychedelic, one basically has to take so much as to make themself feel queezy, and possibly hurl. Less than that and you'll feel euphoric and focussed for sure, but I wouldn't describe it as psychedelic, at least not in comparison to adding some spice.

Typical yeilds from caapi extraction are between 1%-2%, while it seems just a bit over 1% is more common, except with black caapi, which gibran2 claims does give higher yeilds near 2%. A typical dose of caapi alkaloids for mao inhibition is 200mg, which would be the equivalent of about 20g of caapi. Most people seem to take more than that though. A lot of people take 100g or more of caapi for a caapi only journey. I wouldn't though, as I don't think it would be comfortable. However, there are people out there who don't mind feeling sick from harmalas and even enjoy that part of the experience. If it's your first time, you could take the easy route and dose with 3g syrian rue, a very standard dose. Didn't I already tell you this?
 
Yes, I think you mentioned it...so it really is as simple as eating 3g of rue seeds then drinking mimosa brew for an ayahuascaish experience? Or at least a more drawn out journey? I'm just looking for lessons that are digestable and then usable later...freebase is awesome, but sometimes it kicks my ass to show me something quickly, if that makes any sense...

I just looked around online and saw that the rue was also much cheaper than buying caapi vine, and they also come with a shitload of seeds..lol...So is the rue dosing is a good way to test the maoi waters before caapi? Or is it superior to caapi in your opinion? Thanks man...
 
Apoc, I hear one can dose with rue, then dissolve roughly 40-50 mgs of spice in orange juice to provide roughly a 3 hour experience...is this true?
 
tobecomeone00 said:
Yes, I think you mentioned it...so it really is as simple as eating 3g of rue seeds then drinking mimosa brew for an ayahuascaish experience?
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Yes!

No, Syrian Rue is not superior to caapi. You'll probably want to crush the seeds.

Yes, some say that putting freebase in orange juice is acidic enough to convert freebase spice in to a salt form. Freebase spice tends to tie the stomach in gut wrenching knots. Not just nausea, but pain. You'll want to salt that spice if you eat it. Make sure it all dissolves. Anything acidic should work.
 
3gs of seeds crushed up...thats quite a bit, yeah? At least to swallow at once? Is it possible to mix it with something? And as far as salting, Is converting to fumerate not difficult? Do you know of any relatively simple conversion teks? I'ma go take a look-see, see what I can find...
 
You can grind the seeds and cap them in gel caps, or make a tea out of it.

Oral spice dosages vary grately for different people.

Some are overwhelemed by 30mgs

I need 150+ to get any decent effects, no matter what MAOI I take.

Caapi is a better experience than rue, imho, but some like rue better.

3g rue is enough no matter who you are...that's pretty standard.
 
Well, I'm not really down to begin conversions to fumerate...considering freebase hurts the stomach, can the spice just be smoked after ingesting 3g of rue? What could one expect from this?
 
Just mix the spice into orange juice and crush and stir until it all dissolves.

You can vape after taking an oral MAOI and it's awesome.
 
do not eat rue. You can but I dont see the point. Brew the crushed up seeds..and put the brew in the fridge..decant it the next day, and filter it well. That should remove most of the sediments and leave a clearer brew, then you can reduce it down to about a teaspoon or so perdose. I dont have alot of experience with rue as I work mostly with caapi but that is what I have been doing and I dont get sick so far.

Either that or you can do a manske extraction.
 
Okay, brewing sounds much more doable than a handful of seeds in the mouth..lol...Fractal, would you go along w/ ragabr and say that vaping with an maoi is the way to go? Or would you go with the OJ method? I'm looking for a more drawn out lesson, but minus the mindf*** that is freebase alone...is this possible with these methods?
 
I just brew mimosa and drink it so I dunno about OJ. Yeah vaping DMT with a full dose of caapi is nice..I would suggest that you do try it orally though as well..oral DMT can be alot easier to work with unless you go too high on your doses..vaped DMT with oral harmalas though is the next best thing.
 
I just brewed my first caapi and mimosa batches a couple of days ago. The process went smooth and i now have two healthy looking brews which i put a lot of energy and effort into, so i hope and have a feeling that it will be a positive first experience.

I let the brews sit for 24 hours and strained the sediment and sludge out, then i put them into smaller mason jars in the refrigerator. Now its been roughly another 24 hours, and I noticed the mimosa has sediment in the bottom again. Should i strain it again? it makes sense to, to me, i just want to double check with y'all. Thanks:)

Love, Life, and Music,
Soulshine
 
Soulshine, very nice! By any chance if one were to drink caapi brew, then vape some freebase, would this be along the lines of an ayahuasca journey? Or would the intensity of freebase still be prevailent?
 
tobecomeone00 said:
Soulshine, very nice! By any chance if one were to drink caapi brew, then vape some freebase, would this be along the lines of an ayahuasca journey? Or would the intensity of freebase still be prevailent?
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Not sure, i don't have any experience with it my self. This is my first brew, and im looking forward to journeying on Sunday. It will be with a mimosa brew... im sure there will be times coming up when i drink only caapi and freebase, i'll have to letcha know i guess....

... You'll never truly know the answer to your question until you try it for yourself, be careful, good luck.

Love, Life, and Music
Soulshine
 
I just dissolved my freebase in about 5mL vinegar and mixed that in a glass of water. It worked perfectly and lasted almost 5 hours.

My MAOI was a 60g Caapi brew.

I haven't vaped on brew yet so I don't know how that is but sounds like something I'll have to try soon.
 
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