netizen4891
Rising Star
Hello everyone,
I'm an experienced psychedelic user with years of work using ayahuasca and high-dose mushrooms (up to 4g natalensis and 12g cubensis). My first ayahuasca experience in Brazil involved a huge glassful and a total ego death—I genuinely thought I was either dead or headed for a mental institution.
About six years ago, I tried to vaporize 5-MeO-DMT for the first time using a crack pipe. I must have burned it, because I damaged my lungs and vocal cords. It took years to heal, and even now I can't sing like I used to. At the time, I also had N,N-DMT (jungle spice, not pure white) in my possession, but I put everything on hold due to fear of more self-harm. I had both samples tested at a professional lab in Vancouver, which confirmed they were the correct substances—my technique was likely the issue. I stored both molecules with desiccant and oxygen absorber packs in an airtight container in the freezer, and forgot about the whole project for six years.
A few months ago, after much research into what went wrong, I decided to try again. I'd seen a post claiming that vaporizing N,N-DMT with a Yocan Orbit was foolproof. Unfortunately, I burned the substance again and injured myself once more, taking nearly two months to recover. I should mention I have asthma and an autoimmune condition, so my body overreacts with inflammation. I later learned that the Yocan Orbit's battery, even at its lowest setting, delivers 3.4V—far too high for DMT.
Then I found a post suggesting using the Yocan Orbit atomizer on a mod box. So I got a GeekVape Aegis Mini, set it to 10W, and as a precaution (to avoid further injury) added a Hubble bubbler with water to cool the vapor. I knew this could condense the DMT and cause some loss, but I preferred safety and figured I could up the dose if needed. I had three experiences: 10mg, 18mg, and 25mg. All were pleasant and safe—no injuries. I realized temperature control is critical, but still suspected I was losing potency, since 25mg felt weak.
Finally, I took the plunge and built an eMesh setup following MintyLove's YouTube videos and website: GeekVape Aegis Mini at 17W, a Mesh Pro RDA with eMesh and a drip tip. Everything went smoothly. I had two experiences on the same day: 10mg, then 15mg. The 15mg was interesting—I felt a vibration pulsing through my energy centers (chakras), rising upward. The experience was unmistakably psychedelic, though only mild open-eye distortions (a bit like mushrooms) and no closed-eye visuals.
Yesterday, my wife agreed to tripsit, so I decided to go for 20mg. I was scared. I set the mod to 19W and inhaled for about 9 seconds, then held the vapor for roughly 10–15 seconds. Then the thought came: *No, no, no, no, no… I don't want to go. I don't want this. I want to reverse course. I never want to do this again.* I exhaled because I felt that holding it longer was intensifying the effects. I think my optic nerve feedback cut out for a split second and returned.
I wanted to interact with my wife but couldn't. I was half-gone, my body limp. But there was no rocket/geforce sensation, no waiting room, no breakthrough—I was still very much present. This was definitely my strongest experience so far. Afterwards, I felt extremely relaxed, all my muscles loosened, and I slept like a baby. Best of all, I checked the mesh and was pleasantly surprised: almost the entire dose was vaporized in one go. No throat, vocal cord, or lung injury—just slight irritation. I drank mullein tea, had a eucalyptus cough drop, and used a Mabis steam inhaler as a preventative measure. Today I feel great. No side effects.
**My main questions:**
1. **Breakthrough dosage on eMesh** – MintyLove suggests ~20mg is a breakthrough dose with pure white crystals, but elsewhere on YouTube and Nexus I see 30–35mg cited for eMesh. Which is accurate? Erowid lists 10–20mg as a light dose (non-breakthrough), though I'm unsure if that's based on eMesh efficiency or other methods like GVG. My 20mg was definitely not a breakthrough, though it was very powerful and ego-challenging. Could my DMT have degraded over six years in the freezer? Or is breakthrough truly in the 30–35mg range?
2. **How long to hold the vapor in your lungs?** AI sources say that within 5–10 seconds, your body absorbs almost all of it, and holding longer just irritates the airways. Others say hold up to 30 seconds. I felt that longer holding did increase intensity—I exhaled early because I got scared. What's the consensus?
3. **Does jungle spice significantly affect dosage?** For example, would 20mg of pure white crystals be roughly equivalent to 25–30mg of jungle spice?
4. I heard that higher dose than 20mg gets less scary because ego is completely dissolved and doesn't fight back. Is that true? So say 30mg less scary than sub-breakthrough What can I expect at 25mg, 30mg, 35mg compared to 20mg?
5. I noticed that some dmt was stuck to the inside of the mesh pro rda cap on top of where the emesh is on the inside. It was yellow and a bit hardened. Is this normal? Maybe I lost some this way? How did it jump up like that if I pulsed it before inhalation to liquify it? Maybe I waited too long between the liquid state and the actual inhalation (10 minutes or so)?
Thanks in advance for your insights and shared experiences.
netizen4891
I'm an experienced psychedelic user with years of work using ayahuasca and high-dose mushrooms (up to 4g natalensis and 12g cubensis). My first ayahuasca experience in Brazil involved a huge glassful and a total ego death—I genuinely thought I was either dead or headed for a mental institution.
About six years ago, I tried to vaporize 5-MeO-DMT for the first time using a crack pipe. I must have burned it, because I damaged my lungs and vocal cords. It took years to heal, and even now I can't sing like I used to. At the time, I also had N,N-DMT (jungle spice, not pure white) in my possession, but I put everything on hold due to fear of more self-harm. I had both samples tested at a professional lab in Vancouver, which confirmed they were the correct substances—my technique was likely the issue. I stored both molecules with desiccant and oxygen absorber packs in an airtight container in the freezer, and forgot about the whole project for six years.
A few months ago, after much research into what went wrong, I decided to try again. I'd seen a post claiming that vaporizing N,N-DMT with a Yocan Orbit was foolproof. Unfortunately, I burned the substance again and injured myself once more, taking nearly two months to recover. I should mention I have asthma and an autoimmune condition, so my body overreacts with inflammation. I later learned that the Yocan Orbit's battery, even at its lowest setting, delivers 3.4V—far too high for DMT.
Then I found a post suggesting using the Yocan Orbit atomizer on a mod box. So I got a GeekVape Aegis Mini, set it to 10W, and as a precaution (to avoid further injury) added a Hubble bubbler with water to cool the vapor. I knew this could condense the DMT and cause some loss, but I preferred safety and figured I could up the dose if needed. I had three experiences: 10mg, 18mg, and 25mg. All were pleasant and safe—no injuries. I realized temperature control is critical, but still suspected I was losing potency, since 25mg felt weak.
Finally, I took the plunge and built an eMesh setup following MintyLove's YouTube videos and website: GeekVape Aegis Mini at 17W, a Mesh Pro RDA with eMesh and a drip tip. Everything went smoothly. I had two experiences on the same day: 10mg, then 15mg. The 15mg was interesting—I felt a vibration pulsing through my energy centers (chakras), rising upward. The experience was unmistakably psychedelic, though only mild open-eye distortions (a bit like mushrooms) and no closed-eye visuals.
Yesterday, my wife agreed to tripsit, so I decided to go for 20mg. I was scared. I set the mod to 19W and inhaled for about 9 seconds, then held the vapor for roughly 10–15 seconds. Then the thought came: *No, no, no, no, no… I don't want to go. I don't want this. I want to reverse course. I never want to do this again.* I exhaled because I felt that holding it longer was intensifying the effects. I think my optic nerve feedback cut out for a split second and returned.
I wanted to interact with my wife but couldn't. I was half-gone, my body limp. But there was no rocket/geforce sensation, no waiting room, no breakthrough—I was still very much present. This was definitely my strongest experience so far. Afterwards, I felt extremely relaxed, all my muscles loosened, and I slept like a baby. Best of all, I checked the mesh and was pleasantly surprised: almost the entire dose was vaporized in one go. No throat, vocal cord, or lung injury—just slight irritation. I drank mullein tea, had a eucalyptus cough drop, and used a Mabis steam inhaler as a preventative measure. Today I feel great. No side effects.
**My main questions:**
1. **Breakthrough dosage on eMesh** – MintyLove suggests ~20mg is a breakthrough dose with pure white crystals, but elsewhere on YouTube and Nexus I see 30–35mg cited for eMesh. Which is accurate? Erowid lists 10–20mg as a light dose (non-breakthrough), though I'm unsure if that's based on eMesh efficiency or other methods like GVG. My 20mg was definitely not a breakthrough, though it was very powerful and ego-challenging. Could my DMT have degraded over six years in the freezer? Or is breakthrough truly in the 30–35mg range?
2. **How long to hold the vapor in your lungs?** AI sources say that within 5–10 seconds, your body absorbs almost all of it, and holding longer just irritates the airways. Others say hold up to 30 seconds. I felt that longer holding did increase intensity—I exhaled early because I got scared. What's the consensus?
3. **Does jungle spice significantly affect dosage?** For example, would 20mg of pure white crystals be roughly equivalent to 25–30mg of jungle spice?
4. I heard that higher dose than 20mg gets less scary because ego is completely dissolved and doesn't fight back. Is that true? So say 30mg less scary than sub-breakthrough What can I expect at 25mg, 30mg, 35mg compared to 20mg?
5. I noticed that some dmt was stuck to the inside of the mesh pro rda cap on top of where the emesh is on the inside. It was yellow and a bit hardened. Is this normal? Maybe I lost some this way? How did it jump up like that if I pulsed it before inhalation to liquify it? Maybe I waited too long between the liquid state and the actual inhalation (10 minutes or so)?
Thanks in advance for your insights and shared experiences.
netizen4891
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