Gay Marriage

[Entropymancer]

Good point. There's not much point trying to present rational data to someone who tells you "I don't care about facts, I don't care if something has been well-established since before I was born, this is my BELIEF dangit, and I'm stickin' to it"

 

['Coatl]

Hey bacchus, that isn't very nice.

This troll has messed with me on other forums... First post is a troll post? That isn't a very good way to start out at the Nexus.

I KNOW some things (mostly about plants), I also BELIEVE some things, I enjoy stating both. Get over it. I didn't call anybody a "fag" or anything and I certainly don't think I said anything offensive, so get off my ass.

I don't answer 5 or more PMs a day answering noob questions about botanicals to take shit from some troll with one post, so screw you dude.

i see her post like 30 times everyday and say a whole lot of nothing.

Did you see my Salvia divinorum thread? How about my posts on Cacti? "Lost Peyotes"? Teotzlcoatl's Links? My Ethnobotanicals thread? My Iboga thread? What about all the cacti and other botanicals which I have identified for people (often with the help of Phlux)? How about how I post in every single thread with the word "cacti" in the title? Have you seen any of those threads, you troll asshole?

Now let's stay on topic please and try to be nice to each other. I don't think any of my post warranted that kind of troll response (especially by somebody with one post, if Entropymancer or let's say, 69ron, had said the same thing in a nicer way, I would NOT have responded as harshly.)

So back to talking about "Gay Marriage" please.

 

[Ginkgo]

I find it somewhat shocking that you first come with agressive attacks against a person, and then in the next sentence ask people to be nice against eachother. How can you justify that? I can see how you might get offended by what Bacchus wrote, it was indeed not nice, but that does in no way justify what you just wrote. Please 'Coatl, for both your own good and for the good of the lovely people here, think twice before you let your out-of-control ego drop bombs like this.

 

[islandhome]

oo my balloon knot

 

[BoKuDen]

but isn't this coatl girl like 18 or something?

-Irrelevant

why are all of you chemists and biologists and legitimate science people engaging her in debate and expecting anything logical or intelligent from her end?

-Because they can.

i see her post like 30 times everyday and say a whole lot of nothing.

I see ONE post from you doing the same.



Im sorry i've never posted anything useful, informative or insightful; from the 1 post Bacchus has made, neither has he/she.

Coatl has us both beat. Thank you for EVERY one of your 1,639 posts.

 

['Coatl]

Ok, ok, ok.... that is enough. I should have probably just ignored him (thanks for the support BoKuDen).

Let's just go back to topic and not ruin this nice thread.

 

[Phlux-]

hrmm maybe we should be discussing spice here - not gayness - honestly, what the hell, how is it any one members business what any other members sexual preference is ? i just simply don't see why it needs to be discussed. It seems conversations on religion, homosexuality, etc always end up in arguments, i avoid those conversations like the plague now.

 

[Infundibulum]

long time lurker, first time poster. don't mean to be rude or anything, but isn't this coatl girl like 18 or something? why are all of you chemists and biologists and legitimate science people engaging her in debate and expecting anything logical or intelligent from her end? just kind of seems like you're encouraging her. i see her post like 30 times everyday and say a whole lot of nothing.

We continue arguing simply because dismissing someone's post/opinions on the grounds that it is an "18 year old immature girl" is basically an ad hominem argument, therefore fallacious and invalid.

Sort of not taking you seriously because you're a first time poster. Quite silly, right?

 

[Infundibulum]

But you cannot deny the fact that someone can be born programmed to be homosexual.

Sure I can. I do NOT think people are "programmed from birth" to be homosexual.

So you do not think that people can be programmed from birth to be men or women either?

Watch out your answer; what can make you a man or a woman is the exact thing that can also make you a homosexual.

 

[smokeydaze]

hrmm maybe we should be discussing spice here - not gayness - honestly, what the hell, how is it any one members business what any other members sexual preference is ? i just simply don't see why it needs to be discussed. It seems conversations on religion, homosexuality, etc always end up in arguments, i avoid those conversations like the plague now.

Ye.. what does this have to do with DMT related General Discussion?

 

[Aegle]

I find it somewhat shocking that you first come with agressive attacks against a person, and then in the next sentence ask people to be nice against eachother. How can you justify that? I can see how you might get offended by what Bacchus wrote, it was indeed not nice, but that does in no way justify what you just wrote. Please 'Coatl, for both your own good and for the good of the lovely people here, think twice before you let your out-of-control ego drop bombs like this.

I can completely agree here, please don't fight negativity with negativity.


Much Peace

 

[Aegle]

[quote='Coatl]

I still don't believe you are born gay (and I'm sure there are plenty of scientist who would agree with me)

You gotta be careful 'Coatl or you could become misinformed and this might tarnish the richness of your ride. It seems closed-minded to make up your mind about something and then seek out only opinions from authorities you agree with.

Scientists are human beings carrying biases just like anyone else. Sometimes we are aware of these biases and sometimes we are not. Science depends critically on peer review and constant external criticism and revision. This is the only way to begin to overcome human bias.

The clear consensus from research into homosexuality is that there is a strong genetic component. Research in this field has moved beyond this debate to understand the genetic mechanisms involved. There are even mutant fruit flies who are clearly born gay so genetic mechanisms of homosexuality may be hundreds of million years old.
Perhaps it is a (perfectly natural and productive) response to population density as has been speculated above. [/quote]


Completly agree :d

 

[ohayoco]

[quote='Coatl]Hey bacchus, that isn't very nice.

This troll has messed with me on other forums... First post is a troll post? That isn't a very good way to start out at the Nexus.

I KNOW some things (mostly about plants), I also BELIEVE some things, I enjoy stating both. Get over it. I didn't call anybody a "fag" or anything and I certainly don't think I said anything offensive, so get off my ass.

I don't answer 5 or more PMs a day answering noob questions about botanicals to take shit from some troll with one post, so screw you dude.

... Have you seen any of those threads, you troll asshole?

Now let's stay on topic please and try to be nice to each other. I don't think any of my post warranted that kind of troll response (especially by somebody with one post, if Entropymancer or let's say, 69ron, had said the same thing in a nicer way, I would NOT have responded as harshly.)...
[/quote]

Wow. The hypocrisy here is incredible. And insightful. Please think through your replies before posting, Coatl.

Most of the hypocrisy in your post is self-evident. But to expose a further layer, I find it crazy that you're dragging up what's gone on at other forums. Particularly because the one time I had contact with you on another forum, it was to try to explain to you that your behaviour in calling people 'fags', 'n*ggers' and 'paedos' wasn't acceptable.

 

['Coatl]

I don't even know what a "Paedos" is... seriously I have never heard that word!

Now, lets go back to topic or I'm sure this thread will be closed.

So you do not think that people can be programmed from birth to be men or women either?

Watch out your answer; what can make you a man or a woman is the exact thing that can also make you a homosexual.

Thank you for going back on topic like a responsible member. I do NOT think you a born programmed to be man or women, I'm a big fan of the "blank slate" theory.... babies are a blank slate, a clean canvas which the world immediately starts to cover and fill the moment they are born!

 

[wake and bacon]

So then, what is your opinion on people who are born with the "wrong body parts"? i.e. A 'woman' born with a penis, no breasts, etc... who feels she is a female trapped in a male's body.

If you aren't programmed to be man or women - does that mean that your environment and culture decides whether or not you have a penis and are a man or have a vagina and are a female? I'm not quite following this idea.

 

['Coatl]

Alright, sorry should have elaborated more.

I think most of being female (or male), the way men and women act differently (besides having breasts or penises or w/e) is cultural and social, not genetic.

I don't think little girls like to play with barbie because their is something in their genetics that tells them to like dolls.

Remember.... this is what I THINK, this is not my area of knowledge what-so-ever.

 

[deedle-doo]

[quote='Coatl]

Thank you for going back on topic like a responsible member. I do NOT think you a born programmed to be man or women, I'm a big fan of the "blank slate" theory.... babies are a blank slate, a clean canvas which the world immediately starts to cover and fill the moment they are born!

[/quote]

The blank slate theory was essentially thrown out 30 years ago. Genetics is real. The genetics of sex determination is very well understood.

Some things we are taught. Like, the fear of homosexuals. You may have been taught this. A propensity toward fear and intolerance may have a genetic componenet, idk. I think it is a negative thing because people who are burdened with fear and intolerance may miss out on some rewarding relationships. If the fearfull, intolerant people have any kind of authority it will make life worse for people around them.

 

[wake and bacon]

I always wonder if those opposing homosexuality want to effectively criminalize behavior. I'm not talking about anyone on this site, rather more along the lines of fundamentalist religious zealots and the like. If they think it is so moral, so wrong, so horrible - why not lobby to criminalize it? 'The gay war' - fueled my miseducation, fear, intolerance, propoganda, hate, the list goes on and on... sounds a lot like the drug war, doesn't it?

 

[ohayoco]

[quote='Coatl]I don't even know what a "Paedos" is... seriously I have never heard that word![/quote]
You were mis-spelling it as 'pedo'. You were slandering someone by calling them a paedophile, without evidence.

 

['Coatl]

The blank slate theory was essentially thrown out 30 years ago.

30 years? Um... no.... it was brought up by some famous enlightenment thinker (whose name escapes me at the moment.)

Some things we are taught. Like, the fear of homosexuals. You may have been taught this. A propensity toward fear and intolerance may have a genetic componenet, idk.

Hmm.... interesting... if my genetics can make me like women (or the same sex) then could they make me.... let's say... hate black people (just an example)?

You were mis-spelling it as 'pedo'. You were slandering someone by calling them a paedophile, without evidence.

Dude go back on topic like everybody else! Come on we almost got this thread back on track!