harmala chew

[Mimosaquero]

greetings fellow travelers, im mimosaquero and the other day i decided to try something a bit non conventional in terms of how most modern users would consume the vine/harmalas. i got this idea from a shaman awhile back and decided to start doing it on my own. its ayahuasca chew where i finely shred the vine into tiny pieces and chew on it to let the vine absorb through my mucas membrane instead of my gut. havent tried it with syrian rue but my brother has and says it works really well, im wondering if anyone else has tried this method would love to hear about your teks/recipes because chew and snuff is something thats used very often in the jungle.

 

[Ruebacca]

hey hey. im all in for chewing almost everything plant based. it was my first ROA with rue and I since stick to it for my almost daily routine.

In my personal expirience, If alkaloids a concentrated enough, chewing raw plant material always gives the fullest spectrum of effects with a quick onset,

For me with rue its 1,5g for 5-10 mins. I keep it in my mouth, swallow it after. I like to get a sense of the Plant Spirit and higher qualitys of the plant via the taste even when the flavor can be precieved as highly questionable. Its part of the fun.

Sometimes there are tiny stones in my rue, thats something you may watch out for.

have not tried it with caapi, looking foward to it.

 

[JosBoaz]

Sometimes there are tiny stones in my rue

Yes, can attest to do that as well.

 

[dithyramb]

Chewing and swallowing rue is the most effective/efficient way of taking in it's medicine and spirit. But, I find it's not doable often because it opens me too much to the energetic dimension, and also leaves me in a shaky energy. The experience can get scary at high doses, gets serious and deep easily.

 

[Ruebacca]

Chewing and swallowing rue is the most effective/efficient way of taking in it's medicine and spirit. But, I find it's not doable often because it opens me too much to the energetic dimension, and also leaves me in a shaky energy. The experience can get scary at high doses, gets serious and deep easily.

thanks for the warning, because i did not went extremely high yet. Also it seems that I might be some kind of superresponder. Felt a view seeds directly and with 2g i had a very hard time walking strait in the beginning.
But maybe its just the chewing of HQ seeds.

 

[Sakkadelic]

thanks for the warning, because i did not went extremely high yet. Also it seems that I might be some kind of superresponder. Felt a view seeds directly and with 2g i had a very hard time walking strait in the beginning.
But maybe its just the chewing of HQ seeds.

Well the sublingual route should be much more effective than the oral (eating/drinking) one. The MAO enzymes are concentrated in the gut and your harmala dose should be sufficient to inhibit the gut MAO and any other MOA along the way to the brain. 4 g is usually needed for full MAO inhibitions. Sublingually, the harmalas have a short path to the brain and encounter much less MAO enzymes, so the dose is delivered to the brain more effectivly. 1g of good quality rue (~ 50 mg harmala freebase alkaloids) sublingual would be a decent dose already, even if only half absorbed.

 

[Mimosaquero]

Well the sublingual route should be much more effective than the oral (eating/drinking) one. The MAO enzymes are concentrated in the gut and your harmala dose should be sufficient to inhibit the gut MAO and any other MOA along the way to the brain. 4 g is usually needed for full MAO inhibitions. Sublingually, the harmalas have a short path to the brain and encounter much less MAO enzymes, so the dose is delivered to the brain more effectivly. 1g of good quality rue (~ 50 mg harmala freebase alkaloids) sublingual would be a decent dose already, even if only half absorbed.

if i were to chew on rue seeds and drink mimosa afterwards how would you advise me do it? will i need 3-4g or will i need less and how long afterwards? iive been grinding up my rue seeds in either caps or orange juice for the past few years before my mimosa doses and curious about this route.

 

[Sakkadelic]

if i were to chew on rue seeds and drink mimosa afterwards how would you advise me do it? will i need 3-4g or will i need less and how long afterwards? iive been grinding up my rue seeds in either caps or orange juice for the past few years before my mimosa doses and curious about this route.

For oral dmt to work effectively you would need to swallow the rue otherwise the MAO in the stomach would neutralize the dmt. But if you take the rue and mimosa as you usually do, and then chew more rue during the trip (or on mushrooms for example) that should produce interesting results. Would be nice if you try it next time and let us know how it goes.

I personally don't like to take ground rue, it surely works but I find tea or extract to be more reliable and easier on the digestive system. How long do you wait after taking the ground seeds before taking the mimosa and is it a mimosa tea?

 

[Mimosaquero]

For oral dmt to work effectively you would need to swallow the rue otherwise the MAO in the stomach would neutralize the dmt. But if you take the rue and mimosa as you usually do, and then chew more rue during the trip (or on mushrooms for example) that should produce interesting results. Would be nice if you try it next time and let us know how it goes.

I personally don't like to take ground rue, it surely works but I find tea or extract to be more reliable and easier on the digestive system. How long do you wait after taking the ground seeds before taking the mimosa and is it a mimosa tea?

usually 45 mins sometimes an hour, but the mimosa lasts 4 hours max so im thinking taking the rue normally then during the peak or lil bit afterwards chew on 1g to enhance the inhibition. i know rue has lil to no THH which is why its shorter lived compared to caapi.

 

[Sakkadelic]

usually 45 mins sometimes an hour, but the mimosa lasts 4 hours max so im thinking taking the rue normally then during the peak or lil bit afterwards chew on 1g to enhance the inhibition. i know rue has lil to no THH which is why its shorter lived compared to caapi.

Yeah that sounds like a good plan, I expect that chewing the rue during the trip will extend it. And beyond the harmala effect, the bitter taste might modulate the experience and stir it in an interesting direction.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

and also leaves me in a shaky energy.

Can you elaborate more on that part?

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Chewing the seeds will give you the full experience like others said, but again like dithyramb said eating too much seeds can cause a very very serious/deep trip, it can be extremely scary, scarier than anything i imagined, you have to be fully ready for it.

 

[JosBoaz]

too much seeds can cause a very very serious/deep trip, it can be extremely scary, scarier than anything i imagined, you have to be fully ready for it.

Bro, what is the dosage that manifests these experiences?
And chewing for the normal duration you typically employ, 30 min right?

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Bro, what is the dosage that manifests these experiences?
And chewing for the normal duration you typically employ, 30 min right?

At least 30 mins yes, for me personally anything over 5 grams can easily lead to an overwhelming experience, and the higher you go the deeper it gets, above 8 grams it becomes completely mind bending, the main difference ime between chewing the seeds and other routes is that chewing the seeds makes you very sensitive, and that sensitivity takes you to deeeep deeep depths.

 

[Mimosaquero]

At least 30 mins yes, for me personally anything over 5 grams can easily lead to an overwhelming experience, and the higher you go the deeper it gets, above 8 grams it becomes completely mind bending, the main difference ime between chewing the seeds and other routes is that chewing the seeds makes you very sensitive, and that sensitivity takes you to deeeep deeep depths.

i remember 4 years ago i consumed 7-9 grams of rue in a tea it was so black it looked like mud water lol and it came on almost instantly and i was puking and dry heaving for 12 hours straight and the visuals just progressively got more weirder. there was a point that my vomit turned into looney tunes animals and they were just looking at me from the toilet lmao.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

i remember 4 years ago i consumed 7-9 grams of rue in a tea it was so black it looked like mud water lol and it came on almost instantly and i was puking and dry heaving for 12 hours straight and the visuals just progressively got more weirder. there was a point that my vomit turned into looney tunes animals and they were just looking at me from the toilet lmao.

Yeah, its gets wild, there are no limits to this stuff, i used 4-5g everyday for months, thought i found the miracle plant, then i upped the dose to 7-8g, and it was like a completely different substance, let alone when i upped to 12g months after, there is no point in trying to explain it lol.

 

[dithyramb]

Can you elaborate more on that part?

İ can only explain in energetic/spiritual terms. Its two phenomena for me. First of all somehow no matter how many times you boil and reboil, it doesn't reach the power and spirit contact with the plant of when it is eaten. Getting some health benefits, antidepressant/euphoria effects, experiencing enjoyable or interesting visuals and psychological effects through ways other than eating is one thing, experiencing a full opening to the reality of your soul and to the energetic field around you is another. I always say eating high dose seeds has commonalities with the iboga experience, from what I read about iboga.

Secondly, I always feel that with eating, my energy body is fragmented. Fresh seeds harvested of good quality strains don't seem to do this, but even the long term stored ones I've tried so far have done this. It takes time to be "energetically whole" again and you feel off in your connection to the physical world for a day or two after eating. A good example to help you understand is how it affects my speech. As a teen, I had a fast and irregular speech almost on the verge of stuttering. I overcame it through understanding that it reflects my energetic state, and when I know how to take care of my energy ( like spending time in nature and especially earthing fully fixes it), then I speak quite ok. After eating high dose seeds, I am on the verge of stuttering for some hours of a day. I read the post iboga state is also similarly shaky.

 

[blig-blug]

At least 30 mins yes, for me personally anything over 5 grams can easily lead to an overwhelming experience, and the higher you go the deeper it gets, above 8 grams it becomes completely mind bending, the main difference ime between chewing the seeds and other routes is that chewing the seeds makes you very sensitive, and that sensitivity takes you to deeeep deeep depths.

Once again, and hopefully for the last time: most people will have potentially dangerous reactions to 8g (and more so to higher doses), not just "mind bending". If you keep casually mentioning those doses without any caveats you'll get a tempban, as you've been warned multiple times already.

 

[Sakkadelic]

i remember 4 years ago i consumed 7-9 grams of rue in a tea it was so black it looked like mud water lol and it came on almost instantly and i was puking and dry heaving for 12 hours straight and the visuals just progressively got more weirder. there was a point that my vomit turned into looney tunes animals and they were just looking at me from the toilet lmao.

Yes that is typical above 5g well prepared rue or the equivalent in pure alkaloids. At 450 mg HCl I had the same puking and dry heaving for 2 hours.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

İ can only explain in energetic/spiritual terms. Its two phenomena for me. First of all somehow no matter how many times you boil and reboil, it doesn't reach the power and spirit contact with the plant of when it is eaten. Getting some health benefits, antidepressant/euphoria effects, experiencing enjoyable or interesting visuals and psychological effects through ways other than eating is one thing, experiencing a full opening to the reality of your soul and to the energetic field around you is another. I always say eating high dose seeds has commonalities with the iboga experience, from what I read about iboga.

I agree

Secondly, I always feel that with eating, my energy body is fragmented. Fresh seeds harvested of good quality strains don't seem to do this, but even the long term stored ones I've tried so far have done this. It takes time to be "energetically whole" again and you feel off in your connection to the physical world for a day or two after eating. A good example to help you understand is how it affects my speech. As a teen, I had a fast and irregular speech almost on the verge of stuttering. I overcame it through understanding that it reflects my energetic state, and when I know how to take care of my energy ( like spending time in nature and especially earthing fully fixes it), then I speak quite ok. After eating high dose seeds, I am on the verge of stuttering for some hours of a day. I read the post iboga state is also similarly shaky.

Yeah it happened to me a few times before, always when chewing too much seeds, when it happens, the experience usually feels like a k hole, empty and slightly depressing, and the next day my speech would be off and i would feel very tired, i have always associated those experiences with toxicity to the body, sometimes though with the same amounts i would have full on blissful experiences of pure ecstatic joy, and a long afterglow, it's unpredictable, ime.