Harmala Incense

[Prima Materia]

@(:Hulius:)

Thanks for sharing your experience. I have a very similar object for fumingation as you showed in the picture and I use the same shisha coal. Firstly I put some harmala seeds and wait for the first smoke; then I put about 3 pieces of frankincense and some more harmala seeds on top of the frankincense. This method produces excelent thick smoke that combines both elements nicely.

 

[dithyramb]

The harmala "blues" from excessive use is more like harmala "crankiness" for me. More a jitteriness, hyper sensitivity, and intolerance than depression. The solution is to not go over the board with it. Don't go over the board with anything. Water is toxic in too high doses.

I know, we are hyper focused on the aspect of getting the actives in our brains, whether through eating/drinking or inhaling. But what if there is another, even more fundamental aspect to rue incense? Traditionally the focus is not on inhaling the smoke, but rather to infuse a living space with it. Could it be that there really could be an objective vibe (/energy) to a space and it can be altered to becoming more loving, healthy, fertile, and peaceful through infusing it with rue smoke (or other plant incenses)? My conclusion has been yes.

İnhaling is also a good health practice. Just don't treat it like a drug.

 

[(:Hulius:)]

Hello Dithyramb,

You brought forth a really interesting point.

Rue has unmistakeable psychoactive qualities, abusable indeed, but not that desirable.

If done in excess leads to a jittery hypersensitive state, as you said, and the blues are felt later, when the effects subside, at least in my experience.
Sleeping and resting may get difficult, you get incredibly calm and with fewer trains of thoughts but at a faster pace than normal, sounds get loud and annoying, you may want to stay alone because other people's behaviours start bothering you, lights get brighter, etc.
This happens if done in excess, abused.

When knowing an ally I must understand even the negative effects if I want it to be useful and reliable later on in the course of my life, it is not merely a matter of focusing on the actives that reach my brain but instead to comprehend how it changes and interacts with my system in a complete way.
Everything becomes a drug if used mindlessly, without an objective, only to get pleasure or numbing from it.
Analyzing its effects in various situation is a different thing, learning to work with it as a tool that you know and trust.

I've recognized the same negative effects from inhaling the smoke used to infuse a space, even if not inhaling it directly from the burner.
The space indeed gets warmer, friendlier, more open, brighter, it appears more comfortable and worth staying in it. People get happier and talkative, they open up more.
But if you do it more times in a day or stay for too long in a closed room filled with esphand scent and vapours, negative effects will likely ensue.

You're still inhaling an unknown amount of psychoactive chemicals dispersed in the air around you, maybe the skin absorbs them too, we don't know. It's just easier to overdose on inhaled substances, more so if done in unknown amounts and in confined spaces.

I'm just sharing that in my experience harmala is active even as an incense and not in a light way.

I may have become extremely sensitive using it with time and these are my findings, and I'm really glad to share them with people that understand how valuable this tools are.

Thank you

 

[the_Architect]

This post is really interesting. I didn´t know you could use syrian rue as inciense.
I am kind of lucky with syrian rue, doesn´t give me a stomach ache, maybe if I eat soy sauce or chesse it will produce some moderate farting.
I am into resins, essential oils and perfumery.

Some of the burner devices are electrical, you can try those. Like an "electrical inciense burner" or "electrical bakhoor burner". Middle east people like burning oud, different inciense types, or those little sandal chips soaken in resins.
Advantadges are that the burning surface is bigger than the typical little charcoal, and you can regulate the temperature to produce a slower/softer burning.
If you happen to live in Europe, there are many middle east neighborhood shops where you can buy inciense and some of these machines if lucky (halaal meat, vegetables, green tea, spices, counterfeit perfumes too).

 

[Transform]

This post is really interesting. I didn´t know you could use syrian rue as inciense.
I am kind of lucky with syrian rue, doesn´t give me a stomach ache, maybe if I eat soy sauce or chesse it will produce some moderate farting.
I am into resins, essential oils and perfumery.

Some of the burner devices are electrical, you can try those. Like an "electrical inciense burner" or "electrical bakhoor burner". Middle east people like burning oud, different inciense types, or those little sandal chips soaken in resins.
Advantadges are that the burning surface is bigger than the typical little charcoal, and you can regulate the temperature to produce a slower/softer burning.
If you happen to live in Europe, there are many middle east neighborhood shops where you can buy inciense and some of these machines if lucky (halaal meat, vegetables, green tea, spices, counterfeit perfumes too).
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Thanks, I'll ask next time I'm passing a middle eastern shop Looks kinda handy!

 

[ommani]

I finally got around to trying this last night, using a combination of frankincense and ground/toasted rue on charcoal. It was easy to tell apart the smoke from the two ingredients, with the frankincense being sweet and the rue being pungent.

Suffice it to say, this experiment produced a significant amount of smoke, effectively hot-boxing my living space, and setting off my smoke detector a total of three times.

While airing out my space, I did some walking and standing meditation, which seemed to come more naturally than usual. I felt relaxed, uplifted, and energized, like the fog had cleared and the space had opened - not unlike an ayahuasca afterglow.

While I plan to use less frankincense and rue next time, so as to hopefully not set off the fire detector, I would say that I am a convert to this technique/practice.

 

[Animistic]

I will have to try rue + frankincense.

I have come to LOVE rue incense on its own. I had a period where the living situation I was in was very challenging, happening at a time of major change and upheaval in life too. Fumigating my living space and myself with rue smoke was a saving grace. I mostly smoke out my space with Palo Santo semi regularly but Rue is my heavy hitter when there's funk in the space. The way it clears and lifts up a space is undeniable, even in people who aren't aware of the fumigation and properties of rue.

 

[ommani]

I will have to try rue + frankincense.

I have come to LOVE rue incense on its own. I had a period where the living situation I was in was very challenging, happening at a time of major change and upheaval in life too. Fumigating my living space and myself with rue smoke was a saving grace. I mostly smoke out my space with Palo Santo semi regularly but Rue is my heavy hitter when there's funk in the space. The way it clears and lifts up a space is undeniable, even in people who aren't aware of the fumigation and properties of rue.

That sounds great and I resonate with your experience. Curious if you had any issues with setting off the smoke alarm. I didn’t mind all the smoke, but the high pitched sound of the alarm wasn’t exactly conducive to the ambiance I was going for.

 

[Animistic]

That sounds great and I resonate with your experience. Curious if you had any issues with setting off the smoke alarm. I didn’t mind all the smoke, but the high pitched sound of the alarm wasn’t exactly conducive to the ambiance I was going for.

No, I didn't have a smoke alarm in the place I lived and if I am going to fumigate a space I disable the smoke alarm beforehand if there is one.

 

[ommani]

No, I didn't have a smoke alarm in the place I lived and if I am going to fumigate a space I disable the smoke alarm beforehand if there is one.

Good idea. I guess it’s just a matter of taking out the battery in the smoke alarm, so I’ll probably do that next time.

 

[Animistic]

Yeah, that's the best idea imo. I find them pretty obnoxious really but appreciate their purpose.

 

[northape]

Good idea. I guess it’s just a matter of taking out the battery in the smoke alarm, so I’ll probably do that next time.

I place my smoke alarm in a food container, close the lid, and hide it in a closet. That way it only went off once, when trickster spirits wanted to play.

 

[TransistorBass]

I've just been watching Incense making vids on YT, thinking seeing as I have a bag of Syrian Rue, why not try make some incense cones.
Being that Rosemary is noted as helping memory i wondered if having the smell of Rosemary around while in the NN DMT space would allow for better recall of the trip.
Has anyone made Syrian Rue & MHRB Incense?

 

[northape]

I've just been watching Incense making vids on YT, thinking seeing as I have a bag of Syrian Rue, why not try make some incense cones.

Adding fluid to rue is somewhat counterproductive as it results in a loss of potency, but you can try it and report back with your findings...

Being that Rosemary is noted as helping memory i wondered if having the smell of Rosemary around while in the NN DMT space would allow for better recall of the trip.
Has anyone made Syrian Rue & MHRB Incense?

I doubt that you would see much of an impact. MHRB needs to be extremely strong for you to have a palpable effect, but spiritually speaking, it will introduce its own energy.
Rue & Palo Santo provide a clear purifying and slightly elating effect. That is my go-to incense of choice for any medicine work.

 

[TransistorBass]

Adding fluid to rue is somewhat counterproductive as it results in a loss of potency, but you can try it and report back with your findings...

I doubt that you would see much of an impact. MHRB needs to be extremely strong for you to have a palpable effect, but spiritually speaking, it will introduce its own energy.
Rue & Palo Santo provide a clear purifying and slightly elating effect. That is my go-to incense of choice for any medicine work.

Thanks. Any thoughts on Rosemary??
I'm guessing I could simply try lighting a small heep of Rue seeds or toast them on something hot.

 

[Transform]

Adding fluid to rue is somewhat counterproductive as it results in a loss of potency, but you can try it and report back with your findings...

I doubt that you would see much of an impact. MHRB needs to be extremely strong for you to have a palpable effect, but spiritually speaking, it will introduce its own energy.
Rue & Palo Santo provide a clear purifying and slightly elating effect. That is my go-to incense of choice for any medicine work.

Rosemary essential oil is pretty powerful…

 

[TransistorBass]

Rosemary essential oil is pretty powerful…

Good to know, its not a flavour I appreciate in food, I'll be using dry rosemary if I give that a go.