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Hunting the rumors about DMT being harsh

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melotikaci

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Since I was introduced to the substance and read/watched about it great majority of people claim that it is (quite/very/extremely/etc.) harsh to smoke.

I'm a non-smoker. When I smoke cigarette/tobacco I cough, get very dizzy, even may get a heavy nausea.
And when tobacco users say that dmt is harsh I'm like "wtf are this people talking about".

I've used two methods of smoking:
1. Tin foil and plastic bottle - Feels like you're smoking Alzheimer's disease. it's a bit harsh, but not always.
2. The Machine - I can't even feel the taste of a smoke, feels like inhaling slightly warm air.

People I've smoked with can say exactly same about these methods.

I thought about it and came to a conclusion that it isn't dmt being harsh, it's smoking device/technique that causes unwanted chemical reactions.

Combustion - the real enemy of your lungs. It happens when enough heat, oxygen and the spice decide to hang out together.
In other words:
With the excessive heat DMT reaches it's ignition point(which should be quite low, don't know exactly). At that point oxygen is combined with the substance and produces flame. And flames are evil and harsh, aren't they? :?

If my calculations are correct and my logic isn't based on incorrect information and knowledge, then only thing we need to avoid flames and fumes, therefore harsh smoke, is to use a device that reduces the combustion chances to minimum and be careful with the temperatures.

What are your thoughts about that?
 
When I first started reading up about DMT, I found almost everyone commented on how notoriously harsh the vapour was.
After I did my first extraction I found its smell in general to be quite pleasant.
Even using a meth pipe to vaporise I found its flavour rather enjoyable.
So I figured it must be the purity of DMT which determines it's harshness.
This was reassuring since it was my first extraction and showed I must have done a pretty good job
 
Twofaced26 said:
When I first started reading up about DMT, I found almost everyone commented on how notoriously harsh the vapour was.
After I did my first extraction I found its smell in general to be quite pleasant.
Even using a meth pipe to vaporise I found its flavour rather enjoyable.
So I figured it must be the purity of DMT which determines it's harshness.
This was reassuring since it was my first extraction and showed I must have done a pretty
good job
Agreed, I do like the smell and taste and find them quite pleasant.

P.S. Completely forgot about purity. That definitely can be another important reason.
 
It's never been harsh for me, though I'm also a daily hash smoker.

I think the "Orange mothball DMT" described by McKenna must have been quite impure, he describes it as an amorphous orange "wax", and states that it requires several inhalations, and that it is fairly "harsh".

For me, DMT has never been harsh, even when smoked with cannabis, and, it only requires a single inhalation, though I will admit that I dose high.

This all leads me to question the purity of the DMT being described in some if these events...

-eg
 
entheogenic-gnosis said:
It's never been harsh for me, though I'm also a daily hash smoker.

I think the "Orange mothball DMT" described by McKenna must have been quite impure, he describes it as an amorphous orange "wax", and states that it requires several inhalations, and that it is fairly "harsh".

For me, DMT has never been harsh, even when smoked with cannabis, and, it only requires a single inhalation, though I will admit that I dose high.

This all leads me to question the purity of the DMT being described in some if these events...

-eg
They should have been smoking some crappy impure spice back then :D
 
melotikaci said:
entheogenic-gnosis said:
It's never been harsh for me, though I'm also a daily hash smoker.

I think the "Orange mothball DMT" described by McKenna must have been quite impure, he describes it as an amorphous orange "wax", and states that it requires several inhalations, and that it is fairly "harsh".

For me, DMT has never been harsh, even when smoked with cannabis, and, it only requires a single inhalation, though I will admit that I dose high.

This all leads me to question the purity of the DMT being described in some if these events...

-eg
They should have been smoking some crappy impure spice back then :D

Who knows, it just sounds different, that's all.

-eg
 
melotikaci said:
I've used two methods of smoking:
1. Tin foil and plastic bottle - Feels like you're smoking Alzheimer's disease. it's a bit harsh, but not always.
2. The Machine - I can't even feel the taste of a smoke, feels like inhaling slightly warm air.

1. :thumb_dow

2. :thumb_up:

Smoking anything through petrochemical material and perhaps even aluminum can be hazardous to your health.. smoking in general, of course, too. Vaporization may be worth considering as your ally in this situation.
 
I found when i first tried DMT it was so harsh and unpleasant i felt like i has poisoned myself so much so that i didnt touch it again for years. Then when getting back into it i knew what to expect and just delt with the discomfort which always lead to a milder experience because i could only take so much.. it also kept me from using it no more then 2 or 3 times a year. Until recently when i was just trying to clean out an old machine that i came across. The vapor was almost unnoticeable and i only took two decent sized hits. But they felt like nothing and i had the best DMT experience yet. It wasnt till i came down that i realized all this time i had been burning it and making for a unpleasant weaker trip. Since then ive been working on perfecting my technique. Good vaping skills makes a world of difference literally
 
Not too harsh for me either. With the GVG there is almost no taste at all.

However, the glass bulb "crack pipe" method did produce odd smelling and tasting smoke. I was very likely burning it. But to be honest, I sort of miss the taste and smell that pipe produced. The GVG is so smooth there is barely any taste or smell to speak of.

Never thought I'd experience nostalgia related to a meth pipe. Live and learn.
 
Cognitive Heart said:
[...]

1. :thumb_dow

2. :thumb_up:

Smoking anything through petrochemical material and perhaps even aluminum can be hazardous to your health.. smoking in general, of course, too. Vaporization may be worth considering as your ally in this situation.
yeap, that's why I said it felt like smoking Alzheimer's(even though that's controversial claim) :D I new I was smoking terrible fumes.

I've tried lots of weird methods and wasted quite a lot of spice. Then The Machine saved me from the abyss :)

InAwe said:
Not too harsh for me either. With the GVG there is almost no taste at all.

However, the glass bulb "crack pipe" method did produce odd smelling and tasting smoke. I was very likely burning it. But to be honest, I sort of miss the taste and smell that pipe produced. The GVG is so smooth there is barely any taste or smell to speak of.

Never thought I'd experience nostalgia related to a meth pipe. Live and learn.
I was also going to build a glass bulb, but fortunately, I was lazy.

I'll experiment when I get some free time and modify my Machine to convection heating. It's interesting if it gives noticeable difference.
 
Sasquach2112 said:
I found when i first tried DMT it was so harsh and unpleasant i felt like i has poisoned myself so much so that i didnt touch it again for years. Then when getting back into it i knew what to expect and just delt with the discomfort which always lead to a milder experience because i could only take so much.. it also kept me from using it no more then 2 or 3 times a year. Until recently when i was just trying to clean out an old machine that i came across. The vapor was almost unnoticeable and i only took two decent sized hits. But they felt like nothing and i had the best DMT experience yet. It wasnt till i came down that i realized all this time i had been burning it and making for a unpleasant weaker trip. Since then ive been working on perfecting my technique. Good vaping skills makes a world of difference literally
Skills does matter.
Putting an effort in building good DIY pipe also helps emotionally. I find the process very chilling and recreational. And that helps overcome anxiety and fear of wasting product or doing something wrong before lift-off.
 
melotikaci said:
Sasquach2112 said:
I found when i first tried DMT it was so harsh and unpleasant i felt like i has poisoned myself so much so that i didnt touch it again for years. Then when getting back into it i knew what to expect and just delt with the discomfort which always lead to a milder experience because i could only take so much.. it also kept me from using it no more then 2 or 3 times a year. Until recently when i was just trying to clean out an old machine that i came across. The vapor was almost unnoticeable and i only took two decent sized hits. But they felt like nothing and i had the best DMT experience yet. It wasnt till i came down that i realized all this time i had been burning it and making for a unpleasant weaker trip. Since then ive been working on perfecting my technique. Good vaping skills makes a world of difference literally
Skills does matter.
Putting an effort in building good DIY pipe also helps emotionally. I find the process very chilling and recreational. And that helps overcome anxiety and fear of wasting product or doing something wrong before lift-off.

I think smoking skills are most important. I feel I could efficiently smoke (vaporize) DMT out of or off of almost anything....

-eg
 
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