The High Diet

[Espurrr]

Our diets is similar, but still so different, im also on a raw diet, but carnivore (primal) . Its good to see other people who are thinking wisely about modern food. For each of us its a diverse way

i tried that several years ago for around 2 years in total, i could never feel like myself at the height of my clarity and capability on that diet, not even close

and that prolonged struggle changed my nervous system for the worst, i had to spend a lot of time coming back to myself, and thats putting it mildly, the sheer destitution of it is beyond description

though the question of human nourishment is admittedly complex enough that no one can stand in front of you and expound the truth of it, so its good to keep that in mind before being convinced by a certain line of reasoning of some kind

 

[Espurrr]

the choices that we as individual humans make about what we put in our mouth, is i think most strongly affected by our state of consciousness

it is very difficult to be totally aware of your own consciousness

so before you read this as some kind of given i want to emphasize that, in reality most people's state of consciousness is constantly influenced by what they are consuming

as opposed to a scenario where your state of consciousness stays the same, and you choose what to eat because it will stabilize your centered awareness upon yourself

(again, not very common, also you'd have to have arrived in a centered and harmonious state first to be able to maintain that and give it stability, if you experience a unpleasant state you are unlikely to try to maintain it)

this is also going to be influenced by alot of things, for example we tend to reference our past experiences of eating in search of what worked for us, and specially if the traditional cuisine and cultural atmosphere of where you're brought up has never been influenced by the prioritization of the effect of food on consciousness rather than, general health, energy expenditure etc, then you're going to have a harder time understanding how to navigate into your natural self by responding intelligently to your own needs

 

[taita]

I was raw vegan for about a year in total, as a culmination of 20 years of vegetarianism, and five of veganism. While it was a good cleanse over relatively short timeframes, I found it difficult to maintain. I found it hard to parse legitimate health benefits from orthorexic virtue points, which is a real danger with any restrictive diet. Beware the purity spiral... Humans have been cooking food since before we were homo sapiens, so any appeal to naturalism with raw veganism falls far short.

I can definitely see the utility and benefit of short-term raw food cleanses on the order of a week to a month or two, but at least for me it was not a sustainable long-term diet.

To each their own of course, and more power to you if it's working well for you. As a now pescatarian-leaning omnivore, finding the optimal diet for myself is an ongoing process, but it's certainly nice not spending so much time thinking about and preparing food as I did when I was raw vegan.

 

[Espurrr]

I was raw vegan for about a year in total

i guess the start of this thread gives that image, i wonder if i could fix that since i don't seem to be able to edit it

i don't really subscribe to the idea that humans can only eat fresh foods or even only raw foods, personally i cook beans and tubers on a daily basis, and consume fermented foods like kimchi along side it, but i consume anything that can actually be digested without cooking fresh

the human organism is not very simple, life can be simple when the people you live with (or are influenced by) , which used to be 30-50 people for the better part of human evolution, have honestly reflected upon the effects and results of various ways of living, and unanimously decided to pursue the best possibility, which would become the automatic flow of things in everyones lives

today, we are living in a global psychotic society, any one will say any thing with utter disregard as to the reality checking of their own claim, and this is not very uncommon, it can come from the largest official institutions down to your average social media influencer

so more than ever before an individual needs to rely on developing their capacity for self observation, reality checking, learning to separate cause and effect from things that are only associated together, as to avoid confusion and dysregulation in their lives

 

[Transform]

i guess the start of this thread gives that image, i wonder if i could fix that since i don't seem to be able to edit it

Send me a PM with your edit and I'll sort it out. Some old posts get edit-locked to help preserve continuity in the threads.

can definitely see the utility and benefit of short-term raw food cleanses on the order of a week to a month or two, but at least for me it was not a sustainable long-term diet.

This is essentially the same conclusion as I came to after six months raw vegan - come the colder weather I was suddenly impossibly ravenous. I may have mentioned before elsewhere on the forum how the hunger-impaired decision to break the fast with fish and chips nearly killed me, so those of you out there who may be going this route will surely prove more sensible than I in light of this - and if you're wondering how it happened, the chippy was the first food joint on my five mile hike into town

 

[new_science]

How did the chippies nearly kill you? So good that you overate and got a bowel obstruction?

 

[Jamie01]

Our diets is similar, but still so different, im also on a raw diet, but carnivore (primal) . Its good to see other people who are thinking wisely about modern food. For each of us its a diverse way

Have you found an increase in aggression on the diet?…I don’t even mean in a negative sense, it could be positive. I felt a sharpening of my senses and an increase in aggression(testosterone?).

I would argue more with clients at work, my boss or coworkers etc. In the past I would shut up more so I think it was good but also at times like I just lost my filter and would say whatever I felt.

Eventually I found I wanted cooked greens and fresh fruit with my meat.

an increase in

 

[northape]

I get quite horny and aggressive if I eat mostly meat. Last Christmas, I ate a ton of smoked wild boar, and it took me a while to get back with the program and reconnect to the spiritual side of life

 

[Transform]

In line with @Espurrr's observation that intestinal activity can lead to sexual arousal, I'll note that even Heinz' baked beans could be considered a physical aphrodisiac, albeit one fraught with the somewhat repellent side-effect that's also the essential cause of this property in the first place.

How did the chippies nearly kill you? So good that you overate and got a bowel obstruction?

Actually, quite the opposite - projectile vomiting and diarrhoea, and I don't think it was on account of any pathogens either - just the sudden influx of greasy cooked stuff.

 

[new_science]

Oh my gosh. I am glad you survived that episode. I would be so disheartened if I was chowing on some epic grease and it refused to stay inside...

 

[ommani]

Actually, quite the opposite - projectile vomiting and diarrhoea, and I don't think it was on account of any pathogens either - just the sudden influx of greasy cooked stuff.

That sounds terrible and I’m glad you lived to tell the tale. With that said, I think I would make a good British bloke… eating fish and chips all hours of the day, meeting up with the lads for a pint after work, tripping on liberty caps in the countryside, and going to d&b/jungle/garage parties on weekends sounds like it would be a good fit for me. Instead, I’m stuck here in the land of burgers and hotdogs with nary a Neolithic ruin in sight.

 

[taita]

That sounds terrible and I’m glad you lived to tell the tale. With that said, I think I would make a good British bloke… eating fish and chips all hours of the day, meeting up with the lads for a pint after work, tripping on liberty caps in the countryside, and going to d&b/jungle/garage parties on weekends sounds like it would be a good fit for me. Instead, I’m stuck here in the land of burgers and hotdogs with nary a Neolithic ruin in sight.

There's plenty of interesting ancient sites in the Americas! Maybe not a lot of stone, but plenty of mounds. I went to the biggest earthworks north of Mexico the other week (Cahokia Mounds - an ancient city) and it was dope. Tons of bundleflower all over there too

 

[ommani]

There's plenty of interesting ancient sites in the Americas! Maybe not a lot of stone, but plenty of mounds. I went to the biggest earthworks north of Mexico the other week (Cahokia Mounds - an ancient city) and it was dope. Tons of bundleflower all over there too

You're right, I need to get out and explore more. I know the Four Corners area has some cool ruins, which I could theoretically drive to. The truth is, I don't like to drive far, which has helped me to keep the miles on my subaru down, but has also limited what I've seen of the area and surrounding states. I guess it's all about finding a balance, which ties back in nicely with the topic of diet/nutrition.

 

[Espurrr]

baked beans could be considered a physical aphrodisiac

i didn't want to get into this yet but
just like we have this knowledge of foods that are easier to digest, which i believe the easiest would be ripe fruits in general

there is also the question of, what can increase digestive capacity ? for example all of these salt fermented foods like kimchi or various fermented pickles and miso ... are a great example of how digestive power can be maintained in its peak

and the other would be either consuming a very large amount of dark leafy greens along with your food or juice it, and im talking about +600g of dark leafy greens like kale, collards... whatever you can find

because these are the only 2 food groups that can powerfully nourish the digestive gland and cells which excrete digestive juices etc

otherwise i believe its important to limit total fat intake if you want to be able to digest large amounts of carbohydrate / fiber containing foods, which beans are an example of

and i believe truly humans respond most positively to these staple foods, like large fruits, large tubers, beans, grains when this digestive power is maintained properly and the intake of fat isn't signaling the colon and intestine to slow down the passage of food

 

[Espurrr]

i wonder where you would start a thread about ayahuasca dieta, i've wanted to make one and ask people who may have direct experience or generally insightful about it and see what is the way of life for people who are regularly involved in consuming especially more potent types of ayahuasca at least heavier on the beta-carbolines if not also the tryptamines on a daily basis or regular basis meaning more than twice a week, because i understand theres a certain dynamic that makes it all actually work and not lead to nervous dysregulation and psychosis etc.

i spent a lot of time trying to research it, but its difficult to find much on it even if you pay alot of attention to detail without actually opening a conversation of a question and answer type dialogue about it, but i want to do that unless you know of a certain thread thats already about all this, but i didn't find one only very brief discussions around specific dietary patterns and general way of life associated with regular high dose ayahuasca or any major 5th1a/2a agonist really that would require special care

 

[taita]

i wonder where you would start a thread about ayahuasca dieta, i've wanted to make one and ask people who may have direct experience or generally insightful about it and see what is the way of life for people who are regularly involved in consuming especially more potent types of ayahuasca at least heavier on the beta-carbolines if not also the tryptamines on a daily basis or regular basis meaning more than twice a week, because i understand theres a certain dynamic that makes it all actually work and not lead to nervous dysregulation and psychosis etc.

i spent a lot of time trying to research it, but its difficult to find much on it even if you pay alot of attention to detail without actually opening a conversation of a question and answer type dialogue about it, but i want to do that unless you know of a certain thread thats already about all this, but i didn't find one only very brief discussions around specific dietary patterns and general way of life associated with regular high dose ayahuasca or any major 5th1a/2a agonist really that would require special care

As far as I understand it, and my knowledge is rather limited, strict dietas are typically fish without teeth, and rice, plus whatever plant one is dieting. No salt, no sugar, no spice, no oil, no sex. Eat once a day, medicine at night. In some cases the fish is ommitted and it's just rice or quinoa, but that's more short term, afaik.

Then there are various less strict interpretations, which just minimize oil and salt and red meat. No pork.

What I was told is that the most important thing is to have your belly cleared out, so no eating after lunch, but obviously the general dietetic background makes a big difference in terms of transmitter balance. With frequent ingestion of high beta carboline brews, I would imagine a stricter interpretation would be necessary.

As far as I understand, it's really high tyramine foods that can cause issues with MAOIs. Beer, aged cheeses, aged meats, some fermented foods, probably some other stuff.

Very low or no salt as often emphasized, as it helps to "soften the head," which is also part of the goal of drinking medicine

FWIW, YMMV

 

[northape]

i wonder where you would start a thread about ayahuasca dieta, i've wanted to make one and ask people who may have direct experience or generally insightful about it and see what is the way of life for people who are regularly involved in consuming especially more potent types of ayahuasca at least heavier on the beta-carbolines if not also the tryptamines on a daily basis or regular basis meaning more than twice a week, because i understand theres a certain dynamic that makes it all actually work and not lead to nervous dysregulation and psychosis etc.

i spent a lot of time trying to research it, but its difficult to find much on it even if you pay alot of attention to detail without actually opening a conversation of a question and answer type dialogue about it, but i want to do that unless you know of a certain thread thats already about all this, but i didn't find one only very brief discussions around specific dietary patterns and general way of life associated with regular high dose ayahuasca or any major 5th1a/2a agonist really that would require special care

Do it. I'm very interested in plant diets. I guess old ayahusca forums were more aligned with this approach, but surely some people here are doing diets.

Somehow my aya use was always in cycles. I'd cook a batch of tea somewhere around may-june and slowly consume it over a few months. Once a week was already pushing it for me, and I'd get somewhat ungrounded. I guess it's the nature of this work, and this brew knows that you're dieting (even if it's not traditional). Each cycle had a specific lesson and a plan of work, not of my creation. Like last summer was crazy intense, but I had a lot going on too. I tend to rest a year or two between these works, and it comes strangely naturally. When it's time to return, aya just comes back into my life of its own accord. I just need to be open to meet her.

 

[mistery_cat]

That's an incredibly specific and disciplined regimen you've laid out. Have you noticed any significant changes in your energy levels or cognitive clarity since strictly removing all animal products and cooked starches from your diet?

 

[isicism]

Have you found an increase in aggression on the diet?…I don’t even mean in a negative sense, it could be positive. I felt a sharpening of my senses and an increase in aggression(testosterone?).

I would argue more with clients at work, my boss or coworkers etc. In the past I would shut up more so I think it was good but also at times like I just lost my filter and would say whatever I felt.

Eventually I found I wanted cooked greens and fresh fruit with my meat.

Effect is upside down. The main food my diet consists of is raw fat. Bone narrow, butter, cream, fat in meat.
Also I do myself home ice cream from raw eggs, raw milk and cream with honey.
This high fat with mid-protein content is keeping me low stress, as it calms down my nervous system. I don't advice it to people in cities unless there is a bio store near you. I live in rural area where all animals are completely healthy.
Honestly I never tried vegan or vegetarian diet, but in my childhood, the food my parents gave me was mostly plant-based. Personally for me it gave me couple troubles with health now, in an adult age.

I feel very relaxed and aware on this diet all the time, like some kinda bliss. The Sun also plays role in it.

Moment when you start getting angry quick, especially with clients on work who you supposed to respect, its cortisol that triggers your brain to be this way. Maybe you have a deficit of sunlight or iron, maybe you have bad sleep. Overall this behaviour is caused by stress hormones.

I suggest that the diet you had was animal based, but high protein-low fat. That must had been the problem.

Upd: On primal diet you yourself become more “wild”
You didn’t just argue with your clients whenever you wanted. You was honest, you told people what you think of them right in their faces. That might be not polite in a social way, but its the “wild” part of the diet.

 

[isicism]

Эффект перевернут с ног на голову. Основу моего рациона составляют сырые жиры. Кости, масло, сливки, жир в мясе.
А ещё я сама делаю домашнее мороженое из сырых яиц, сырого молока и сливок с мёдом.
Этот корм с высоким содержанием жиров и средним содержанием белка помогает мне снизить уровень стресса, так как он успокаивает мою нервную систему. Я не рекомендую его людям в городах, если поблизости нет магазина органических продуктов. Я живу в сельской местности, где все животные абсолютно здоровы.
Честно говоря, я никогда не пробовал веганскую или вегетарианскую диету, но в детстве родители кормили меня в основном растительной пищей. Лично у меня это сейчас, во взрослом возрасте, вызывает некоторые проблемы со здоровьем.

На этой диете я постоянно чувствую себя очень расслабленной и осознанной, словно в состоянии блаженства. Солнце тоже играет в этом свою роль.

В тот момент, когда вы начинаете быстро злиться, особенно на клиентов на работе, которых вы должны уважать, именно кортизол запускает этот процесс в вашем мозгу. Возможно, у вас дефицит солнечного света или железа, возможно, вы плохо спите. В целом, такое поведение вызвано гормонами стресса.

Я предполагаю, что ваш рацион состоял из продуктов животного происхождения, но с высоким содержанием белка и низким содержанием жира. Вероятно, в этом и заключалась проблема.

Обновление: При соблюдении первобытной диеты вы сами становитесь более «дикими».
Вы не спорили со своими клиентами, когда вам вздумается. Вы были честны, вы прямо в лицо говорили людям, что о них думаете. Возможно, это невежливо с социальной точки зрения, но в этом и заключается «дикая» сторона диеты.

Just to add. I dont consume any carbohydrates except honey. I don’t consume vegetables, except vegetables juices (carrot, celery) and tomatoes with cucumbers