Research The nexian phalaris breeding programme

[albertfive123]

i need to apologize for my bad shepe but my fionce was actualy cheting on me for 8 month and i lern today. i wear saying this but they say to me i am paranoic. actualy i was not xD but the witnes wear my fionce and her boyfriend how suppousted be her "friend" u dont need to worry about him shy sead xD

 

[aizoaceous]

@albertfive123 I see that gramine isn't soluble in naphtha, I didn't know that. So that's clear now.

This is widely claimed, but it doesn't seem to be true. I found that hot and room-temperature naphtha both pulled gramine in close proportion to 5-MeO-DMT. Gramine is depleted somewhat vs. DMT, but probably by a factor of less than two with two pulls, less with more pulls. Perhaps the result would be different at higher concentration, but I ran my experiment around the same concentration that I've found convenient for larger-scale extractions.

If you can get the alkaloids to crystallize, then the major constituent (weighted by solubility) will usually be purified. So if the major constituent is a tryptamine then you'll get that, but if it's gramine then you'll get purified gramine. There is no way to judge without TLC or other analysis. The color does not provide an indication, since gramine is colorless in solution; the color is other impurities. I confirmed rejection of gramine and DMT when I crystallized 5-MeO-DMT oxalate. I couldn't get my extract to crystallize as freebase but others report success, I guess just with different genetics.

All that said, gramine doesn't seem to be particularly harmful. I strongly suspect that most adverse experiences with Phalaris are a 5-MeO-DMT ovedose (which I again note has probably killed at least one person, so take care; the risk of oral use with harmalas is particularly high).

 

[albertfive123]

This is widely claimed, but it doesn't seem to be true. I found that hot and room-temperature naphtha both pulled gramine in close proportion to 5-MeO-DMT. Gramine is depleted somewhat vs. DMT, but probably by a factor of less than two with two pulls, less with more pulls. Perhaps the result would be different at higher concentration, but I ran my experiment around the same concentration that I've found convenient for larger-scale extractions.

If you can get the alkaloids to crystallize, then the major constituent (weighted by solubility) will usually be purified. So if the major constituent is a tryptamine then you'll get that, but if it's gramine then you'll get purified gramine. There is no way to judge without TLC or other analysis. The color does not provide an indication, since gramine is colorless in solution; the color is other impurities. I confirmed rejection of gramine and DMT when I crystallized 5-MeO-DMT oxalate. I couldn't get my extract to crystallize as freebase but others report success, I guess just with different genetics.

All that said, gramine doesn't seem to be particularly harmful. I strongly suspect that most adverse experiences with Phalaris are a 5-MeO-DMT ovedose (which I again note has probably killed at least one person, so take care; the risk of oral use with harmalas is particularly high).

not nafta i think u mean naftalen xD google fraze "solvents dipolar examples" it should explein more
edit: gramine is not good not safe more likly deathfuel read some smart articules or books or experiments discribe. i know that mouse its not human but still if its harmfuel we dont left this in product xD

 

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This is widely claimed, but it doesn't seem to be true. I found that hot and room-temperature naphtha both pulled gramine in close proportion to 5-MeO-DMT. Gramine is depleted somewhat vs. DMT, but probably by a factor of less than two with two pulls, less with more pulls. Perhaps the result would be different at higher concentration, but I ran my experiment around the same concentration that I've found convenient for larger-scale extractions.

Thank you for this info. I found the claim that gramine is not soluble in naphtha in the Nexus wiki when trying to understand what was being said in that direction. So the wiki should probably be updated, particularly taking into account that it gives no source or data to support that claim, while your post presents evidence.

All that said, gramine doesn't seem to be particularly harmful. I strongly suspect that most adverse experiences with Phalaris are a 5-MeO-DMT ovedose (which I again note has probably killed at least one person, so take care; the risk of oral use with harmalas is particularly high).

Maybe it could also be related to the concurrent presence of 5-MeO-DMT and MAOIs in some phalaris strains?

 

[blig-blug]

edit: gramine is not good not safe more likly deathfuel read some smart articules or books or experiments discribe. i know that mouse its not human but still if its harmfuel we dont left this in product xD

You are making strong claims without presenting any evidence. The Attitude page states:

If you post something as a fact, you have to be able to provide a reliable source for your argument

If you state something as your opinion then please support that opinion with good reasoning. If you cannot do that then don't state your opinion at all since it's useless for others

Please, from now on either support those strong, serious claims such as "gramine is likely deathfuel" with evidence or refrain from posting them.

i need to apologize for my bad shepe but my fionce was actualy cheting on me for 8 month and i lern today. i wear saying this but they say to me i am paranoic. actualy i was not xD but the witnes wear my fionce and her boyfriend how suppousted be her "friend" u dont need to worry about him shy sead xD

It's understandable that you may not be in a condition to post in a way that other users can get what you are saying, and/or to make posts relevant to the thread. But if that's the case, please wait until you feel that you can. Again, read the Attitude page.

 

[albertfive123]

You are making strong claims without presenting any evidence. The Attitude page states:



Please, from now on either support those strong, serious claims such as "gramine is likely deathfuel" with evidence or refrain from posting them.


It's understandable that you may not be in a condition to post in a way that other users can get what you are saying, and/or to make posts relevant to the thread. But if that's the case, please wait until you feel that you can. Again, read the Attitude page.

yeah i had an psychotic attack i wanned to say that gramine can be dengerous for liver and kidneys so to aviod the risk its good to get rid of it. when u check the melt temperature in both substances u can see big diffrence between them dont remeber exactly byt its about 60 degrees with can be use as i write in previous post. sorry for my not accured figure of speach when i say deathfuel i ment the amounts that can injure liver and kidneys with are neceseraily to live. i hope no one missunderstand me.
edit: 5-MeO-DMT 69-70 C
gramine 138-139 C