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christian said:
ok, not rude, just the way it was worded that's all. no need to make a big deal about it, sorry if i annoyed some people. it was not meant so. STILL, FIGURES CAN BE MANIPULATED, ETC. And i personally don't have faith with government figures for a variety of reasons. 8) These are my opinions, and if you guys do not agree then that's fine by me.:d
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Also, if you state something as your opinion then please support that opinion with good reasoning. If you cannot do that then don't state your opinion at all since it's useless for others. This is not Facebook with like/dislike.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
The Traveler said:
christian said:
ok, not rude, just the way it was worded that's all. no need to make a big deal about it, sorry if i annoyed some people. it was not meant so. STILL, FIGURES CAN BE MANIPULATED, ETC. And i personally don't have faith with government figures for a variety of reasons. 8) These are my opinions, and if you guys do not agree then that's fine by me.:d
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Also, if you state something as your opinion then please support that opinion with good reasoning. If you cannot do that then don't state your opinion at all since it's useless for others. This is not Facebook with like/dislike.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
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Dreamer042 likes this ;)
 
christian said:
So NONE of you are indeed relaxed and easy going to simply "realise" that i was simply joking when i stated that the "evidence may not be suitable in a court of law".
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I was unable to ascertain whether the tone of your post was sarcastic or comedic or what. This is why I asked you for clarity as to your intent when I replied to that post...which you chose not to give. Now you selectively decide to state what your tone was (however many posts after initially requested) and lambast us for not being able to read your mind and know your intentions? That doesn't seem like the actions of someone who's trying to have fun...quite the opposite, actually.

I think there are numerous posts from me and others scattered around the board that indicate that we have good senses of humor and do engage in fun.

Come to the chat whydoncha if ya really wanna see how much fun we have :lol:
 
I want to apologise to everyone who i may have annoyed with my perhaps thoughtless at times posts on this thread. Please bear in mind that there was no nastiness involved towards anyone, and that despite what one may think, i do not whatsoever think that i'm in any way better than anyone else, as has been sugessted to me by someone already. I am not from the USA, so really shouldn't have bothered with posting here in the first place. I did try to stop posting on this thread a while ago, but got accidently dragged back into the conversation that i had by then became bored with. In the future i'll be sure to avoid such threads where my lack of knowledge is insufficient for the threads purposes, or current arguments,etc. cheers, chris.
 
Despite Ron Paul’s overwhelming success in Saturday’s Ames straw poll, finishing second to Michele Bachmann by less than two hundred votes, in an astounding video establishment media talking heads admit what we’ve been highlighting from the very start – that there is a deliberate policy to sideline, ignore and discredit Paul’s campaign.


The mainstream media will stop at nothing to quell the Ron Paul revolution and with every attempt they make their effort more and more transparent , if you believe in liberty, freedom and ending american hostility in the world Vote for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul can win.


 
Ron paul and the ideas he expresses are the most dangerous thing to the status qwo in the US. Its just part of the mainstream medias attempt to perpetuate the two party big government paradox. If people don't know there's another option, (libertarianism, independentism, etc) Then they will vote big Gov democrat or Big Gob republican. Take this with a side of the majority of the public gets their news from the mainstream media controlled TV, and you have an excellent system to keep the Big Gov agenda rolling right along.

Read the Deceleration of Independents by Nick Gilespie & Matt Welch from the Reason foundation. I'm approx 3 chapters in and its been more of an eye opener than just about anything I've ever read/seen/heard in regard to exposing the political system for what it is. And for that matter, the authors of this book should be running for president/vp. Pretty much everything i have ever seen these two write, or watched them say has been based in reason, and for the betterment of society as a whole. They operate without bullshit it seems, something very few of us humans are able to achieve.

I have issues with ron paul going all pro life, just bec. of his personal experience in medical school back in the 60's where he saw a "fetus be thrown in a bucket in a corner, while down the hall docs./nurses put all their effort into saving a premature baby. Makes me wonder what his position on states rights in regard to abortion will be. Also, he had to throw "our creator" into the speech as well, what about separation of church/state ron?

Heres the vid:


But this was at ames, and mabey he was just trying to play into the republicans desires. Either way, what his position is is wrong, he's either telling the voters something so he can get elected, when in fact he will be states rights on abortion; or he is taking his personal experiences as fact, and ignoring that his perceptions and the way the world was back then affected how he saw that particular situation. I'm sure very few abortions end in the scenario he described and sensationalized.
 
I personally understand the pro life position, I wouldn't want to have my baby aborted and I think that its sick that so many people do it. I also believe that there could be circumstances where it could or should be done. There are a lot of couples out there that cant have kids and would love to adopt.

Abortion imo shouldn't be the deciding factor when america is bombing and killing people all over the world, littering third world countries with depleted uranium while stripping its citizens of all rights, throwing everyone in jail and bankrupting the country.

I really don't want to get into a big debate about why I think Ron Paul should be president here though. been there done that , you either like him or you don't. Your choice.

At least with Ron Paul you know where he stands, hes honest and has the voting record to prove it.
 
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Oh well, screw mainstream media. Maybe the fact that Paul was only behind by 200 votes is a good sign that he is irrepressible regardless of mainstream nonsense. Maybe people are waking up beyond the sweet and terrible lullabies of the mainstream. Michelle Bachman scares me in general. I don't think Obama will lose in 2012, only because it seems like his opponents are freaks this time around. They'll defeat themselves. Or maybe Ron Paul will get in. This has got to be his last chance.

It's funny, I didn't even notice until you posted this thread that I haven't heard anything about Ron Paul. I either forgot about him, or assumed he wasn't even in the mix.
 
I'm gonna keep plugging Ron paul here until traveler stops me, the fate of free humanity depends on everyone spreading awareness.
 
ray,
i like ron paul just fine but your making him out to be Yoda. instead of listing all the things that he says he will do could you list major some things he has accomplished? my point being that he probably hasn't done all that much because of our system that binds his hands. it wont be any different as president in fact it will be much worse.

even if he gets elected you act like a complete and total paradigm shift is an easy task. you seem a bit over zealous and minimize the amount of resistance he will face from people as powerful as he. this is my problem with the supporters that think he is going to save the world.

also please dont make statements about not stopping till trav stops you. the guy does so much for us it just seems disrespectful and confrontational to the guy. why even go there?

i know your a good smart fella and i always enjoy talking to you but im a bit exhausted with all the ron paule-ians endless optimism with out any real backing as to what this guy has already accomplished vs. what he claims he is going to do. havent we all heard these promises form many?

show me the money!
 
I would like to comment from a historical perspective. I am currently studying the politics of the 1840s in the United States - specifically the South -vand the role of newspapers/media. Many newspapers were formed by candidates themselves to present their political platforms. It is not out of line with the historical tradition to be heavily biased. While America is a land of (relatively) free speech, it's media IS NOT and DOES NOT HAVE A HISTORY OF BEING an unbiased source of news.

I don't understand why people act so shocked by the media minimizing Ron Paul. They are businesses and political organs. It's their job to make a profit and get their candidate into office, not to be your friend and give you unbiased information.
 
olympus, a reply to some things in your post.

i dont think that ron paul will save the world but i do support him above the other republican candidates because he seems to be far more in touch with the reality that i perceive.

i don't think that he would win in the general election against obama because he is too extreme but i would love to see him on the ballot because of the conversation it would lead to in our country. if (unlikely) he were elected he would be able to do vetos, which would mean that congress would need 2/3. some important to pass things could maybe not pass, or the political parties might need to make some interesting compromises with one another to keep the government functioning despite a hostile president.

i secretly hope he will win to be president because of the part of me that loves chaos and new exciting situations!!
 
i agree elru i think we are saying the same thing. i never watch the news so i am not at all affected by their bulls#@t. like i said i like ron paul and i like much of what he stands for, he may even get my vote i just dont think he will be able to do most of what he is claiming and i think he knows this.

thats my issue with him. the guy knows how washington works and his throwing around all these promises to me is not that impressive. he wont be able to accomplish 98% of it without the house and the senate and he damn well knows that! so if he knows that then how honest is the guy actually being?

thats my beef i guess with all the "ron paul will save the universe" cheers.
 
well, I only said I would keep plugging him until traveler stops me because its him that needs to have a problem with me posting about Ron paul and if he does I'll stop.

If anyone else has a problem with it they are going to have to live with it. Traveler knows I would never intentionally disrespect him and he knows I have the highest amount of gratitude for all hes done.

I'm not gonna lie , I'm utterly amazed that a presidential candidate that supports personal freedoms (witch includes legalization of our sacred substances ) and ending war isn't getting a huge amount of support here, will he save the world? of course not but hes a great step in the right direction. Way more so than any other nit wit thats running.

I'm not saying hes Jesus chirst descended from heaven to save the planet, I'm saying you have a choice to vote for someone that doesn't represent the status quo in this election and I suggest you take it.

Ron paul has proven his honesty and support of the constitution with his voting record in congress.

I'm not quite sure why everyone thinks that the changes he wants to make will never get passed by congress or the senate, they haven't voted on them yet. Whose to say they wont decide its time to do the right thing with Ron Paul in the lead.
 
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