We really need to acknowledge harmalas potent medicinal qualities

[harmala_afficianado]

[Mod edit: what follows is someone's opinion and reported experience. It's not and can't be medical advice. While harmalas are known to have certain benefits and potentially offer some others, there's no evidence or even informal user consensus about the purported benefits stated below. Think critically and don't rely on a single person's anecdotal reports, particularly for health issues]

People think rue is just a hallucinogenic antidepressant plant that boosts other psychedelics, but thats not the case at all, [I think] it is a powerful medicine that will heal your body from top to bottom (if used correctly ofc).

Here are the most significant health benefits i've experienced while taking rue daily:

1. Very powerful increase in strength and endurance: i was always someone who exercises on the regular, but rue really took it to the next level, i lift 7 days a week, and increase my lifting load every single time, i seem to recover very quickly no matter how hard i push my body, i have gained alott of muscle in a very short time

2. Cardiovascular health: even though i was always lifting weights, i rarely did cardio or ran alot, but since i found rue to give me alot of energy and power, i started running, and the more i run the more i love it, i started running maybe like a month ago? Now i have reached 8mph nonstop for 20-30 mins everyday, and it feels as easy as walking, and btw, im someone who smokes cigars all day like a chimney ( and i inhale the smoke fully)

3. Stomach health: my diet is usually very clean, but some days i would eat alot of fried foods that would usually make me feel very tired and bloated, but on rue its like my stomach doesnt feel the food, it gets digested very smoothly no matter how much i eat.

4. Immunity: i started taking rue almost every single day a year ago, and (thank god) i didnt get sick once, even though there were days my family members would get sick, but i wouldn't.

5. Almost complete healing from adhd memory and focus problems: since i was a little kid, i had severe adhd and i would always forget alot of stuff almost no one would forget, and people would always comment on it, not anymore though, my memory and focus now is alot sharper than most people who used to comment on my memory issues, lol.

6. Being able to function extremely well on 0 sleep: even on nights were i would get 0 hours of sleep, taking rue will make the day feel pretty much normal, no fatigue or mental slugginesh, the only downside is rewards feel slightly blunted though, but thats about it.

7. Complete loss of cravings for sugar and artificial carbs: whenever i crave something sweet, its always either dates or grapes or bananas, i completely stopped liking artifical sugar.

8. Burning fat while simultaneously building muscle: yep, my weight has been the exact same for a long time even though im burning fat like crazy.

Those are mostly the physical benefits, im sure most people here know about the mental and spiritual benefits of this divine plant, if i would list them id be typing all day lol.

imo, the healing qualities of the rue only shine when you listen to the plant and submit to it fully, if you do so, all the side effects like nausea drowsiness etc will disappear and will turn into something else that will completely shock you, thats what i personally believe, as it has been my personal experience.

If your intention is right and you do your research, i think you can heal pretty much anything wrong with your body using rue.

Also, when you get completely used to the effects of a certain dose, upping the dose increases the benefits more and more, it seems that there is no ceiling to it (up to 12 grams ime) [this user consistently reports remarkably high doses of rue. Don't attempt such doses, slowly work your way up. Harmalas are known to be toxic at high enough dosages]

Peace and blessings to ya'll

 

[blig-blug]

I'll focus on an area I know well.

You say you're increasing your load every day, seven days a week, increasing load every single time.

First of all, what are you calling "load"? Is it volume, weight, both?

Second, for how long have been you doing this? Think of a lift you've been doing since then. How much did you increase your load for it on average during the last week? What was your load approximately when you got started with harmalas?

Thank you.

 

[Transform]

I increase my daily load by a picogram each time. This could go on for a long time.

But, in seriousness, I will say that a recent brain fog that developed from an ongoing dental-related inflammation has been abolished along with much of the inflammation - and this from just four days of moderate rue brews - to the extent that it feels like active brain repair has occurred. Sleep disturbance does also seem less detrimental when using 'proper' doses of rue in comparison with poor sleep hygiene and either no rue or micro-/'milli'doses.

I can't necessarily make any valid extrapolation for how this might pan out for anyone else who might think to try it, however. Those who achieve immortality tend to keep quiet about it

Oh, and I did zap the beginnings of a cold with the help of a rue brew the other night, so there is that.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

First of all, what are you calling "load"? Is it volume, weight, both?

Mostly weight, sometimes volume, either way, i always make sure i stressed the muscle more than the previous workout.

Second, for how long have been you doing this? Think of a lift you've been doing since then. How much did you increase your load for it on average during the last week? What was your load approximately when you got started with harmalas?

When i first started with rue, i was on a break from exercising for about a year, first few months before getting used the rue i was mostly just stoned all day tripping, i started exercising again maybe about 3-4 months in after the side effects completely faded, at first i started working out at home, with a pull up bar and dips and pushups and 10 kg dumbells, at first i think i was doing max about 45 wide grip pull ups split into 3 sets (15 each) and 90-100 dips split into 3 sets (about 30-40 each) and about 90 bicep curls with the 10kg dumbells (about 30 each).

About a month or two later, i was doing 100 pull ups (30-40 each set) about 200 dips (60-70 each set) and i started doing chin ups with the dumbells because the 10 kg dumbells became way too light.

Then i started going to the gym, i think about 2 months ago? 7 days a week, very rarely do i take a day off, and now after about 2 months, i lift 130-140 kgs on the lying chest press machine, and on the incline and the decline chest press machines and the chest fly machine the weight is almost maxed out now, im not sure whats the weight though, but i am (almost) at the highest they have.

25-30kg lateral raises, on each arm, so about 50-60kg, 12 reps 3 sets, and i didnt work my shoulder at home at all until i went back to the gym, shoulder press machine 130 kg, 8-10 sets 3 reps, rear delt fly (back shoulders) im almost at the max weight they have now, 8-12 reps 3 sets.

I started doing muscle ups too, 6-7 muscle ups followed by about 15 pull ups, i never did muscle ups before rue.

Years ago i injured myself with dumbells (i always get excited and like to challenge myself with heavy weights) so since then i switched to machines to be safer, im thinking about going back to dumbells again though, carefully this time.

 

[blig-blug]

A lot of information, so let's make it more focused so I can understand. How much did you increase your chest press weight and volume this last week? What about this last month?

 

[harmala_afficianado]

A lot of information, so let's make it more focused so I can understand. How much did you increase your chest press weight and volume this last week? What about this last month?

the last month, i think i was doing about 100-110kg, (50-55 each arm) for 8-12 reps 3 sets, now last time 2 days ago i did 140kgs (70 each arm) for 2 sets (8-12 reps) and the 3rd set i went down to 130 kgs, 8-12 reps

 

[blig-blug]

So, 1kg per day?

 

[universecannon]

Idk there's quite a few studies on its potential medicinal benefits and everyone here seems to be about it, so you're kind of preaching to the choir a bit

imo, the healing qualities of the rue only shine when you listen to the plant and submit to it fully, if you do so, all the side effects like nausea drowsiness etc will disappear and will turn into something else that will completely shock you, thats what i personally believe, as it has been my personal experience.

Also, when you get completely used to the effects of a certain dose, upping the dose increases the benefits more and more, it seems that there is no ceiling to it (up to 12 grams ime)

If your intention is right and you do your research, i think you can heal pretty much anything wrong with your body using rue.

Many of us have already told you that this has not been our experience. Relating your story is all fine and good, but I think it'd be safer if you didn't continue to generalize your own very unique reaction/extreme insensitivity to harmalas onto everyone else. I'm not saying it doesn't have amazing medicinal properties. Just that it's problematic to go around telling people to just keep upping their dose and side effects will go away (they likely won't, and didn't for many of us) or that they can "heal pretty much anything wrong with your body using rue" when that's obviously not the case (I've tried, as have others, and as with many things, YMMV)

 

[Transform]

Idk there's quite a few studies on its potential medicinal benefits and everyone here seems to be about it, so you're kind of preaching to the choir a bit

right - there's already more studies on the medicinal benefits of rue than we've been able to link into our science papers and resources sections.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Just that it's problematic to go around telling people to just keep upping their dose and side effects will go away (they likely won't, and didn't for many of us)

Never said that, i said when the side effects go away you can up the dose and the benefits will increase, if someone misread what i said then its his fault not mine.

but I think it'd be safer if you didn't continue to generalize your own very unique reaction/extreme insensitivity to harmalas onto everyone else.

Your acting as if i was born insensitive to harmalas, i wasn't, at the beggining 4 grams would floor me, i chose a certain path, with a certain mindset, and im trying to make people understand how to walk that path because the rewards are endless, im not special, if you carefully read my words and understand the point im trying to preach (and ofc, have enough will) you will experience everything i have experienced with harmalas, im no different than anyone else.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

right - there's already more studies on the medicinal benefits of rue than we've been able to link into our science papers and resources sections.

If they studied rue the way they study pharmacuticals, we wouldnt need any pharma medications, but unfortunately its not gonna happen

 

[Transform]

If they studied rue the way they study pharmacuticals, we wouldnt need any pharma medications, but unfortunately its not gonna happen

Perhaps, but it's not like it's not happening at all. Numerous papers do exist, and a large proportion of them present positive findings. Granted, they don't necessarily have the vast financial backing of the pharmaceutical sector, and that may impact the perceived quality of the research - but pharmaceutical research hasn't always kept a flawless record, especially given its focus of maximising profit at scale.

(It's kind of fortunate, wouldn't you say, that our panacea has barriers to entry that recede (somewhat) once one shows sufficient commitment?)

Regarding dose escalation, can you be sure that your seeds have remained of a similar level of potency as the initial doses, and haven't in fact declined in strength over time?

Never said that, i said when the side effects go away you can up the dose and the benefits will increase, if someone misread what i said then its his fault not mine.

There's a certain onus to present information in a way that allows it to be understood as unambiguously as possible - and when people question the information, clarification is likely a superior option over denial and blame-shifting. Your documentation of your experiences is appreciated here - but people will begin to push for great rigour of presentation when they perceive it necessary to do so. It looks to me as though several of us have concerns about your tendency to over-generalise. Our ultimate concern is for you to be more effective and credible with your communications.

Am I right in recalling that English is maybe your third language? There's a whole bunch of metalinguistic, sociocultural aspects to communication that are the bugbear of this process, something which I can appreciate from a personal perspective after moving to a non-anglophone country.

 

[blig-blug]

So, 1kg per day?

Just to be clear, I'm very aware that the numbers you're reporting aren't true. They are above the performance of genetic freaks on steroids and practicing an elite training. Don't bother justifying it because it's a transparent lie to anyone with a minimal experience or knowledge in that area. I'm not the only one that's aware of it BTW.

I think your reports are most likely a mix of truth, exaggeration, and lies. Initially I was thinking of ways much of it could be true (those ways exist), but the glaring lies in this thread are the last drop in the bucket and to me confirm what I already suspected. So I won't be interacting anymore with you, and I suggest anyone else that has realized the same to do the same.

It may be that you believe this forum is some kind of elaborate LARP community. Rest assured most experiences reported here are true. If you get around to trying DMT, you'll see it by yourself.

Bye. I encourage you to find more productive uses of your time.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Just to be clear, I'm very aware that the numbers you're reporting aren't true. They are above the performance of genetic freaks on steroids and practicing an elite training. Don't bother justifying it because it's a transparent lie to anyone with a minimal experience or knowledge in that area. I'm not the only one that's aware of it BTW.

I think your reports are most likely a mix of truth, exaggeration, and lies. Initially I was thinking of ways much of it could be true (those ways exist), but the glaring lies in this thread are the last drop in the bucket and to me confirm what I already suspected. So I won't be interacting anymore with you, and I suggest anyone else that has realized the same to do the same.

It may be that you believe this forum is some kind of elaborate LARP community. Rest assured most experiences reported here are true. If you get around to trying DMT, you'll see it by yourself.

Bye. I encourage you to find more productive uses of your time.

Thats really sad man... never expected such a reply, i mean yeah everyone around me knows my genetics are above average, but you think im just straight up lying? I was going to tell you ill record it for you right now, but nah, not worth it, im just soo free that i would just make up posts lol, for some weird reason, you do you though, and ill keep breaking that gym while rue'd tf out

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Perhaps, but it's not like it's not happening at all. Numerous papers do exist, and a large proportion of them present positive findings. Granted, they don't necessarily have the vast financial backing of the pharmaceutical sector, and that may impact the perceived quality of the research - but pharmaceutical research hasn't always kept a flawless record, especially given its focus of maximising profit at scale.

(It's kind of fortunate, wouldn't you say, that our panacea has barriers to entry that recede (somewhat) once one shows sufficient commitment?)

Regarding dose escalation, can you be sure that your seeds have remained of a similar level of potency as the initial doses, and haven't in fact declined in strength over time?

There's a certain onus to present information in a way that allows it to be understood as unambiguously as possible - and when people question the information, clarification is likely a superior option over denial and blame-shifting. Your documentation of your experiences is appreciated here - but people will begin to push for great rigour of presentation when they perceive it necessary to do so. It looks to me as though several of us have concerns about your tendency to over-generalise. Our ultimate concern is for you to be more effective and credible with your communications.

Am I right in recalling that English is maybe your third language? There's a whole bunch of metalinguistic, sociocultural aspects to communication that are the bugbear of this process, something which I can appreciate from a personal perspective after moving to a non-anglophone country.

Some people out here think im straight up lying lol, there is no point anymore, those who got my message got it and those who didn"t didn't, adios

 

[harmala_afficianado]

If you get around to trying DMT, you'll see it by yourself.

If you can't recognize im a truth speaker, your not doing your DMT right, i suggest taking more harmalas with it

 

[universecannon]

Never said that, i said when the side effects go away you can up the dose and the benefits will increase, if someone misread what i said then its his fault not mine.

Your acting as if i was born insensitive to harmalas, i wasn't, at the beggining 4 grams would floor me, i chose a certain path, with a certain mindset, and im trying to make people understand how to walk that path because the rewards are endless, im not special, if you carefully read my words and understand the point im trying to preach (and ofc, have enough will) you will experience everything i have experienced with harmalas, im no different than anyone else.

How can you honestly act as if you are not unique in your reaction to harmalas? You've taken insane doses over and over and reported comparatively mild effects. When I asked you what laying down in the dark reveals on such doses, it was surprisingly mild. At half of your doses most people would be having weird OBEs and bizarre vision trances etc with incapacitating nausea for hours and hours.

You can act like you're the ultimate harmala afficianado all you want and insist we'll all get your results if we just have strong enough will, but you're just blatantly ignoring every single person that has told you they've taken large doses over and over, for years, and while we got our sea legs, the side effects didn’t just fully go away. They weren't able to run miles after chain smoking cigars and increase their weights by impossible amounts. Ironically I've also seen you say that you still get somewhat dizzy but there's no side effects in the same sentence, as if that makes any sense.

Regardless of how much you may or may not be stretching the truth, relating your experience is one thing but consistently generalizing it onto everyone else, recommending ridiculous doses, and claiming people can "heal pretty much anything" with it is not ok here. So cool it with the advice on healing medical issues and excessive doses.

 

[Jamie01]

If you can't recognize im a truth speaker, your not doing your DMT right, i suggest taking more harmalas with it

Why continue to kick yourself in the balls with these responses?

 

[harmala_afficianado]

When I asked you what laying down in the dark reveals on such doses, it was surprisingly mild. At half of your doses most people would be having weird OBEs and bizarre vision trances etc with incapacitating nausea for hours and hours.

yeah, your the one who took it as "mild" i said a very deep deep meditative state where i would reflect, all psychedelic states are deep meditative states right? And i think the way i described it was in no way "mild" at all.

You can act like you're the ultimate harmala afficianado all you want and insist we'll all get your results if we just have strong enough will, but you're just blatantly ignoring every single person that has told you they've taken large doses over and over, for years, and while we got our sea legs, the side effects didn’t just fully go away. They weren't able to run miles after chain smoking cigars and increase their weights by impossible amounts. Ironically I've also seen you say that you still get somewhat dizzy but there's no side effects in the same sentence, as if that makes any sense.

I think the fact that im not an english speaker trying to describe complicated stuff like this gets people confused, i suggest reading about @embracethevoid experience with rue, its identical to mine, maybe you will understand my message more, but yeah i think those who needed my message got it, and those who didnt didnt, maybe they will read it again after some time though and they will understand, i just got turned off that people think im making stuff up, im more than happy recording myself chewing a huge amount of rue seeds and lifting the exact weights i mentioned on vid, for those who really want to know if its possible i can show you 100% proof it is on private, but i dont have to prove myself, im only willing to do so for anyone who is geniunely interested in knowing, which i doubt many are tbh.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

Why continue to kick yourself in the balls with these responses?

Your right