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@Tripolation
I wrote down your questions

"I see you write that you have been training in meditation for 51 years and yet you humbly say you are a beginner still. Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?"

"I can't imagine being a novice at anything practiced for 51 years. What mastery is to be found, if it is not found by now?"

"What is there to reach for other than this?"

"Am I off someplace?"
 
@Tripolation
I wrote down your questions

"I see you write that you have been training in meditation for 51 years and yet you humbly say you are a beginner still. Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?"

"I can't imagine being a novice at anything practiced for 51 years. What mastery is to be found, if it is not found by now?"

"What is there to reach for other than this?"

"Am I off someplace?"
What I was alluding to is that after cultivating a well-honed degree of focus, one's conceptual framework shifts from trying to wilfully attain a certain degree of spiritual awakening, towards a seasoned acceptance of simply being open and present in the present moment. Which brings to light a kind of awe and innocence, which in my view, is akin to perceiving one's existence unencumbered by expectations and demands. This is is echoed and extolled by Zen Buddhist thought (or rather, no thought?). And there are numerous anecdotes about letting go of measuring one's progress towards attaining "enlightenment". As outside of the loop of trying and trying not to try, as Alan Watts cleverly pointed out, there arises a profound acceptance of one's perceptual field, and existential paradigmn. Hence, the reference to a more spontaneous approach to any sitting and/or moving meditation practice. Ideally, one could be quite close to gomplete liberation, without any iota of measurement or even self-reflection. Ergo, the statement about being a beginner and embracing each meditation session with an attitude of emptiness and finfing a serenity that literally transcends stages and increments of greater and greater levels of awareness.
 
Shucks, I've grown quite dendant on editing my comments and I didn't really proof read my blathering.. "Being open and present in the current moment, the here & now. 🙏✨✨✨✨✨
 
What I was alluding to is that after cultivating a well-honed degree of focus, one's conceptual framework shifts from trying to wilfully attain a certain degree of spiritual awakening, towards a seasoned acceptance of simply being open and present in the present moment. Which brings to light a kind of awe and innocence, which in my view, is akin to perceiving one's existence unencumbered by expectations and demands. This is is echoed and extolled by Zen Buddhist thought (or rather, no thought?). And there are numerous anecdotes about letting go of measuring one's progress towards attaining "enlightenment". As outside of the loop of trying and trying not to try, as Alan Watts cleverly pointed out, there arises a profound acceptance of one's perceptual field, and existential paradigmn. Hence, the reference to a more spontaneous approach to any sitting and/or moving meditation practice. Ideally, one could be quite close to gomplete liberation, without any iota of measurement or even self-reflection. Ergo, the statement about being a beginner and embracing each meditation session with an attitude of emptiness and finfing a serenity that literally transcends stages and increments of greater and greater levels of awareness.
Well stated and I appreciate the elaboration.

Like a new mind each and every time you sit. Fresh. The measurement is what was causing my question to begin with and your answer was on point for me and also offers food for thought as well. I think we often measure everything in this world one way or another. When one takes away the measurements the world becomes still and as it is, not what we project onto it. I struggled for quite awhile trying to get someplace when meditating, to find enlightenment.

It seems to me the more I tried to find enlightenment, the more I measured myself, the more it seemed to be out of reach. Now when I sit, I have zero expectation of finding anything, I don't attempt to do anything at all other than to be present. In some ways I found the same kind of new mind without even knowing it until now. I simply like setting aside some time in my day to simply just be and breathe. Sitting allows my mind to slow and at times no thoughts at all. I enjoy the stories my mind projects at times and will follow them out of habit and I think that is only human. Even the thoughts passing by that used to be irritations to me have become appreciated and humorous.

Beautiful everything!

Namaste my friend!
 
Hi. I’ve been practicing for about 11 years. I got sober 11 years ago after 35 years of early onset, chronic, late stage alcoholism. I used all drugs alcoholically too (not psychedelics tho)
At 6 months sober using 12 step process for awakening there was a burning bush “spiritual” experience.
I use spiritual lightly because the truth is, I don’t know what that is but that’s what many of us call it and it’s typically relatable.

I began practicing meditation either before that or around the time of my entrance into recovery, however I’d done sweat lodges, a couple vision quests and engaged in other spiritual pursuits on and off for years prior.
I was trying to cure my alcoholism and was headed in the right direction but hadn’t yet found the path that was gonna do it. Which for me, and many others is 12 step process.

Anyway, on meditation.
That’s great you’ve recognized yourself as the awareness.
I’m truth, there is no “you” that’s recognized anything. Awareness wakes up to itself. The sense of the “you” that’s recognized it is still ego but ego is also THAT.
There is no me doing anything.
The mind is not mine, me or my. The mind is a program operating created by conditioning and experiences.
What are you doing to think next?
No clue right? It’s just happening.
Thinking and thoughts are an activity of the mind much like breathing is an activity of the lungs.
There is no me digesting food, beating the heart or breathing.
Digestion is just happening.
Heart is beating and I am being breathed.
Same is true for thinking. We are being thought.
Sometimes we are thinking, other times we are the thought about.
At all times we are the awareness of whatever is appearing to happen.

I remember many times coming out of a sit (meditation) in a much worse mental and emotional state.
Lots of possible reasons for that. Some of which I was aware of as an afterthought.
1 example is I can face to face in meditation with areas of life I was resisting. Areas I was being dishonest and or things I was avoiding.
This happened both consciously and sometimes unconsciously.
Sometimes I saw why, other times I was clueless as to why I was suddenly full of a depressive state or anxiety had come to fill the void.
I’ve done a fair amount of trauma and inner child work in meditations too. Sometimes it was aspects of one or both of those that had appeared in meditation to be felt, seen or acknowledged. Either or both of those can produce unpleasant experience states too, for sure!
Especially if there was resistance.

Candles and incense are a nice touch, but, these can be a trap of sorts too.
The mind will say “we can’t meditate without candles and incense” or without my meditation bench or cushion.
The mind will create all kinds of rules and regulations for practice making practice unavailable until those various rules are in order.
That was a funny one to catch occurring.
“I can’t meditate if I don’t have the right music, or candles or incense or or or or.”
Hilarious right?
Meditation eventually becomes just the state we are constantly in.
Formal practice leads to getting off the cushion and taking practice to the kitchen to wash the dishes, to the bathroom while using the toilet, while showering, at work, while driving etc.
As this naturally begins to happen awareness continues to open up further (seemingly anyway) and we start to reside in and as awareness.
IT (awareness) wakes up to itself.
The sense of the separate individual self may or may not continue, but you will see it rather than be it.
There won’t be any identification with it anymore. It’ll just be something else that’s happening in you, the awareness.

Hopefully that helps a bit. You’re in for the ride of your life so hang on.
Peace
I just wanted to say that I appreciate what you wrote here. Great reflection points and advice!

Congratulations on your sobriety!
 
This baby is enlightened. Perfect in every way. Nothing to be added and nothing to be removed. No concepts, no judgment, no label, no thought. Just simple perfect awareness of being.

 
This baby is enlightened. Perfect in every way. Nothing to be added and nothing to be removed. No concepts, no judgment, no label, no thought. Just simple perfect awareness of being.
It sucks that we can't seem to remember our quality of experience at that age. As you say, I'm pretty sure we were all heavily engrossed in a pure state of presence; being so in the moment that each instant feels like the first to ever exist.
 
It sucks that we can't seem to remember our quality of experience at that age. As you say, I'm pretty sure we were all heavily engrossed in a pure state of presence; being so in the moment that each instant feels like the first to ever exist.
We can remember. When we do remember, it becomes true meditation.
 
Exactly. It's a very deep, core memory so, and this initial level predates our indoctrination into dualistic, logical associations. It's a pure state of quite an open, direct experiential, perceptual field, whose responce to the mysterious happenstance of 3 dimensional life. Mystics and sages spend entire lifetimes re-aligning to such states of pure awareness. Ironic, isn't it?
 
Exactly. It's a very deep, core memory so, and this initial level predates our indoctrination into dualistic, logical associations. It's a pure state of quite an open, direct experiential, perceptual field, whose responce to the mysterious happenstance of 3 dimensional life. Mystics and sages spend entire lifetimes re-aligning to such states of pure awareness. Ironic, isn't it?
Would this be the "knowing" that arises in the background during the depths of meditation and psychedelics?
 
Absolutely. Knowledge gleaned from a purely direct & intuitive soul association. Gnosis.
Very beautiful, thanks for the clarification.

I've always found this video to provide the single clearest explanation that I'm aware of for the subjective experience of that state in everyday life. I can't claim to have tapped it with any real stability, but my adventures with 5-MeO-DMT (low, medium, and high doses) have shown me enough snippets to make it obvious that this quality of experience is possible at all times.

 
Meditation is a powerful tool. It is so simple, yet so hard. It's just sitting quietly with a straight back. I struggled with meditation for a long time and in some ways still do. I found myself irritated afterward at times. I would put it off. I didn't know what the goal was. It created a tension in me. The tension broke only when I began to really see where this was all coming from.

The struggle was in my mind. What meditation has shown me is everything passes. Everything is temporary. Thoughts and emotions come and they go. The breath comes in and goes out. We live and we die. I became the witness. The observer. Aware.

With this awareness I became responsible for the thoughts and emotions I pursued. My pursuit of these thoughts and emotions create my reality. And that is where I am at right now. Acceptance and responsibility for what I create in my mind.

Currently I am practicing Zazen meditation. I use a zafu and zabuton and sit in the seiza position most often. Meditation continues to evolve for me. I now create a ceremony. I light candles and burn incense. It has truly become a practice. An ever evolving practice.

Please share anything related to meditation on this thread. I very much look forward to any contributions from this community.

Namaste!

;)
Greetings Dmn,
Kryia Yoga was the most powerful practice I've ever engaged in. Rather than focusing on a single point, or transcending all thought through breathing and unattached attentiveness, Kryia is about moving with and within both the closures and openings that arise within the meditative state and allowing one's self to be delivered to formlessness and infinitude. Paramahansa Yogananda was my first love and taught Kryia many years ago. My second love was Swami Muktananda, who I knew personally and who showed me and those who were with him in the 70s the way of Siddha mediataion and yoga. I recommend both! Happy travels my friend.
 
At the age of 12, I started hearing a high pitched sound, (much like coming on to DMT but less intense). When I allowed my mind to relax I realized it was a "homing device," or calling. For many years I've answered the call, which always leads me to seeing a two-story house on the banks of the Ganges Rrver. Upstairs and the first room on the left awaits a master and 11 students, with one open seat for me. So what does this have to do with medition? Every time I sit and drop in, I'm sitting not only with a dozen other beings, but all beings who have ever, are now, and forever will be sitting together in meditation. It is this shared relationship of eternal presence I find to be the most illuminating aspect of Zazen and all other forms of meditation. To sit with you, whether you are a master or a student is to me, the most divine transcendent gift of all. In Lak'ech, (I am another yourself in Mayan)
 
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