PerPLexED grew mushrooms awhile back and studied those quite a bit. He came across a way of adding tryptamines into the growing so that the mushrooms are much more potent. He was wondering if anyone has heard of someone growing mushrooms with spice? Would the dosage be too off for this to be practical considering an MAOI would need to be ingested?
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Spice grown mushrooms
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I have heard of using phalaris grass as substrate...not sure how well it could work..
I dont think DMT would be the end product though..it would still be phosphoralated and psilocybin and psilocin would be end products..still well wroth it.
I dont think DMT would be the end product though..it would still be phosphoralated and psilocybin and psilocin would be end products..still well wroth it.
I also have mushroom growing experience, yet have not heard of adding tryptamines to the substrate. Can you explain what you do or the theoretical methods of how to do it? I would be very interested to experiment with this.
PerpLExED was thinking of putting some DMT salts in a syringe with spores. Would it still be potent after 2 months in high humidity and vermiculite? How much would be a good amount? Would the mushrooms absorb the DMT or would it stay stuck in myselium? Will post on shroomery forums and get back with an answer.
I haven't used DMT salt, but a substrate of 1/2 standard brf/vermiculite mix and 1/2 chaloponga produces blue mushrooms of double potency.
why tyramine?
tyramine is 4-hydroxyphenethylamine. there's no pyrrole group
you'd probably be better off adding indole
Gartz has had some success using tryptamine, but i've never heard of him using tyramine; that may work with the cacti.
tyramine is 4-hydroxyphenethylamine. there's no pyrrole group
you'd probably be better off adding indole
Gartz has had some success using tryptamine, but i've never heard of him using tyramine; that may work with the cacti.
I would just use phalaris grass inthe substrate..it's free and easy to obtain.
people at the shroomery have, I think..no one's reported any success :?
looks good on paper, but enzymes are rather picky
looks good on paper, but enzymes are rather picky
PerPLexED said:
Bad idea, the original idea was that any trypatmine in the substrate would be coverted to it's 4-ho/po ester (? is that right?). Don't put it in the spore syring or you may end up killing off your spores. You can put the DMT in BRF cakes or in the grain to be innoculated. It can also be put into the casing layer. I'm not sure how well this works, how much is coverted, and how much more potent the mushrooms become.
Mushrooms already contain a small amount of DMT (among many, many other tryptamines in very small amounts) but not enough to produce any effect, even with MAOI's.
I forget where I found the paper written on this, and I have NOT heard of anyone that was succesful in making "super mushrooms" using this technique. You can always give it a try though, freebase would be better than a dmt salt I would think (since the freebase is alkaline it will actually help keep the mean green away). Again, DO NOT screw up your spore syringe by introducing DMT into it (and probably contams as well), if you want to do this put it in the substrate (cakes or grain).
PerPLexED isn't that advanced in chemistry so he is staying this one out. He is still very interested in the whole concept of "Super shrooms", if just for the means of "its been done", but too many factors/variables that would leave him questioning. He also has no control, and doesn't have enough experience with mushrooms, as they hit him very very hard, so he wouldn't even be able to tell if it worked, just that he had a profound experience. He is leaving this one to the experts(or until he becomes one), for now, if he gains more experience with the both, he may attempt throwing some shroomies into an ayahuasca brew / smoking spice during peak.
noosphere
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Shulgin states that if you were to inject 5-MeO-DMT into your substrate your mushrooms would contain 4,5-HO-MeO-DMT which isn't scheduled and virtually unknown. He's saying the 4-hydroxy will grab onto whatever you stick in there. So if you inject DMT you would get 4-HO-DMT which is psilocin. So yes spice infused mushrooms would most likely be stronger. Shulgin also says though that DPT or DIPT could be used as well resulting in mushrooms that contained 4-HO-DPT or 4-HO-DIPT.
I would love to see someone grow some mushrooms that contained 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-DIPT, 4,5-HO-MeO-DMT, psilocin, and psilocybin all in one mushroom. Mushrooms containing just 4,5-HO-MeO-DMT would be legal as 4,5-HO-MeO-DMT isn't a scheduled drug.
preschooler
Rising Star
Ive read in detail about it and its not worth trying imo. Most likely inserting a foreign substance in the substrate that would and could hinder the growth. If you want to increase potency... you can increase the nutrients in the substrate. Create more airflow with humid conditioons. Larger subs have always seemed to be more potent... and don't forget the wheat straw<<<<<. No proof on the wheat straw. But once youve tasted a shroomy that came off wheat straw andd poo...you will never go back.
This has never been demonstrated; Shulgin was just making a point about enzymatic activity with this statement. He also said that if you inject Mickey Mouse in the substrate you''l also get 4-OH-Mickey Mouse.noosphere said:
As far as 4,5-HO-MeO-DMT is concerned, other than a speculative product of an indole 4-hydroxylase enzyme (i.e. the one that makes psilocin) product, has anyone actually made and bioassay it???
noosphere
Rising Star
Did you even click the link? It has been done. Here's a whole paper on it: Jochen Gartz - Biotransformation of Tryptamine Derivatives in Mycelial Cultures of Psilocybe | PDF
bonestoner
Rising Star
look up enhanced vermiculite....supposedly badass shrooms. has some kinda bark that you treat the vern with. increases alkaloid content. its on mycoptia
bonestoner
Rising Star
i just love you guys so much i decided to look up the tek for you 
www.shroomery.org
Shroomery - A Successful Dream: Increasing the Potency of P. Cubensis
A method using Demanthus Illinoesis root bark to increase the alkaloid content of shrooms.
www.shroomery.org
you also have to realize Gartz's experiment was never successfully replicated..and for anything to fly in science, it has to be. this paper is the epitome of an inconclusive study.
enzymes are very particular about concentration as well as the substrate added. you can't just expect to throw any molecule in it and expect to get a 4-hydroxylated molecule.
as was mentioned, shulgin was speaking theoretically.
enzymes are very particular about concentration as well as the substrate added. you can't just expect to throw any molecule in it and expect to get a 4-hydroxylated molecule.
as was mentioned, shulgin was speaking theoretically.