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THH - Harmala Holy Grail

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found this old thh post below....


professor8 said:
A while back I read a very good explanation of the different effects of Harmalas that has stuck with me. I believe it was 69ron that said: ‘Harmine is the Coffee of the harmalas & Harmaline is the Weed and when it comes to THH (tetrahydroharmine) you have The Light.'

Whilst very similar in molecular structure, THH has a completely different personality to Harmine & Harmaline. Calling it The Light of the harmalas is very appropriate. IMHO, it is the Holy Grail of The Harmalas. I have found Harmine very, very helpful in Meditation & Yoga. It energises your Light Body and allows you to see your Chakras & Auric fields; very helpful in a biofeedback sorta way ;)
Personally, Harmaline is too heavy & stony for me but I do respect its power and personality, kinda like a big shaggy & lovable dog.

While we are all aware of the MAOI effects of the Harmalas I would like to suggest additional effects I have noted that our current version of scientific enquiry is ill prepared to explain. For the scientists out there please bear with me, I have found a dramatic increase in Energetic Vibration from the direct use of Harmalas in any form by any means of ingestion. This is as true for drinking Caapi tea as it is for bong hitting rue seeds.

Chakras.jpg

This Vibration can be felt as light headedness or slight dizziness accompanied by feelings of well being and connectedness. It indicates a move up the etheric spiral towards your higher self. Sometimes accompanied by a slight nausea, that goes away as your complementary bodies move into alignment. It is the same energetic feeling you get from doing Kundalini exercises or the tingly afterglow of orgasm. By cultivating this Vibration and slowly allowing it to increase over time you will find you are more psychic, intuitive, compassionate & can bend time at will. Yes, you read it right, Bend Time At Will.

THH has the ability to raise your vibration in a most powerful, yet subtle way. It brings a crystalline prismy texture to spice and adds a super clear watery dimension to Aya, like looking down through 10meters of shimmering Caribbean Sea on clear blue day. It brings a dimension of pure light to the entheogenic experience and encourages entities & intelligences of only the Highest Order. If one is not accustomed to perceiving these experiences with a spiritual perspective most of the nuances & subtleties THH brings on are overlooked and remain unseen and one would better enjoy Harmaline as a house painter chooses a roller over a brush, its about preference & choice.

THH seems to be more concentrated in Caapi leaves rather than the vine, this explains the lighter feeling I get from Caapi Enhanced leaf vs. Aya Vine Tea. There is ample THH in the Vine but more Light in the Leaf ;) I am unsure of the content in Rue, but I have read that Harmaline CAN be converted into THH in a reduction process. I’ve yet to try the Hcl/Zinc method but follows is a very simple oxidation & reduction process using Ascorbic Acid. The initial yields are low but the results are fantastic as I was left with THH & Harmine, harmalas I know and love :)

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Harmaline to THH (Trail 1)

First I dissolved 20 500mg Vitamin C (Clicks house brand) in hot water, I let the binding agents settle & decanted through a coffee filter into a pot. I then added 1.16g of Harmaline and brought the mixture to a gentle boil. The liquid turned orange/yellow and I covered the pot with a pyrex dish with ice to let the reaction reflux and the H202 to circulate through the solution. I left it to gently boil adding a bit of ascorbic acid water twice to make up for evaporation.

Gradually the solution lightened up a little but never went clear. Little precipitates began to form and I rightly assumed they were particles of the Vitamin C binding agent that had begun to clump together.

After 3 hours I removed the solution from the heat and filtered to remove the inert precips.

I carefully & slowly sprinkled in Bicarb until it stopped reacting. I was very careful to not add too much and bring the solution to a PH of about 7-7.2 as I read that the PKa of THH is 6.9

And like magic a very fine precipitation began. I let it react & settle for an hour & filtered. I then raised the PH to about 9 and watched another round of precipitation.
After Drying here is what I had.

THHprecip.jpg
HarmineReduction.jpg

THH as a gray fb __________________________________ Harmine fb

I have bioassayed both and am sure that I have both Harmine & THH as a result, the THH is as good, if not better than FV's THH HCl

I do not know the underlying chemistry behind such a transformation but am more than happy to chalk it up to Alchemy. I will further reduce the Harmine and a control sample of Harmine HCl and see what happens but in the long run I am quite pleased to convert my Harmaline in this manner even if the conversion is only 60%. I know I can get this figure up after more trials :)

Peace Professor8


 
...I have bioassayed both and am sure that I have both Harmine & THH as a result...
I don't buy bio trials as product certainties. Especially since vit C is likely to not succeed in the reduction stage. Misleading information imho.
 
Nice find from the archives starway7. Professor8 was an inspiration many years ago. I read this thread over and over many times. He was making THH years before anyone else, he was light years ahead of his time. Here's to you professor8! :thumb_up:

1.5 hours from harmaline to THH: Journal: 50 Sublingual | <span style="frontcolor:pink !Important ;">High Pobability of Braindamage by Creepy non tested Drugs (forced by scammer 69ron)</span> | DMT Ayahuasca journeys over a years time - Pharmahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
 
ava69 said:
Nice find from the archives starway7. Professor8 was an inspiration many years ago. I read this thread over and over many times. He was making THH years before anyone else, he was light years ahead of his time. Here's to you professor8! :thumb_up:

Professor8 was you, you unbelievable ass.

Note to community: These accounts (along with some others) are aliases of 69Ron, a disgraced former member who was shown the door years ago.
 
Bill Cipher said:
ava69 said:
Nice find from the archives starway7. Professor8 was an inspiration many years ago. I read this thread over and over many times. He was making THH years before anyone else, he was light years ahead of his time. Here's to you professor8! :thumb_up:

Professor8 was you, you unbelievable ass - as is Starway7.

Note to community: All three of these accounts (along with some others) are aliases of 69Ron, a disgraced former member who was shown the door years ago.


......Professor8 was you, you unbelievable ass - as is Starway7.quote...

this idea just an honest mistake... . this ..[ idea]... been corrected..
[.starway 7].. is just a member.. and has Nothing!..to do with with AVA69 or any other entitys connected to him...

cheers..
 
I believe in our haste to rid the community of 69Ron and his many aliases, we may have misidentified one. starway7 has been reinstated. Apologies, starway7.
 
Bill Cipher said:
Note to community: These accounts (along with some others) are aliases of 69Ron, a disgraced former member who was shown the door years ago.

I think you should go easy on ava69, the guy has demonstrated a certain amount of contrition by changing his signature. That kind of honesty is admirable IMO.
 
hug454 said:
Bill Cipher said:
Note to community: These accounts (along with some others) are aliases of 69Ron, a disgraced former member who was shown the door years ago.

I think you should go easy on ava69, the guy has demonstrated a certain amount of contrition by changing his signature. That kind of honesty is admirable IMO.

Indeed. That kind of self-awareness is something we cant get enough of around here.
 
Footnote on vitamin C/ascorbic acid brews: it may be the case that vitamin C brings a qualitative difference to rue brews by preserving labile species such as harmol and/or harmalol but until anyone has conclusively isolated THH in a boosted yield alongside an equivalent, side-by-side, ascorbic free extraction we can't comment on the efficacy of this approach as a method for producing THH.

My own experiment with ascorbic PC cooks on rue fell short of this goal because I was more interested in eating the crude alkaloid extract than meticulously separating its components. C'est la vie!
 
downwardsfromzero said:
Footnote on vitamin C/ascorbic acid brews: it may be the case that vitamin C brings a qualitative difference to rue brews by preserving labile species such as harmol and/or harmalol but until anyone has conclusively isolated THH in a boosted yield alongside an equivalent, side-by-side, ascorbic free extraction we can't comment on the efficacy of this approach as a method for producing THH.

My own experiment with ascorbic PC cooks on rue fell short of this goal because I was more interested in eating the crude alkaloid extract than meticulously separating its components. C'est la vie!


I don't know about the function of ascorbic acid in this conversion, but I've thought that it is quite unstable when heated. That's what I've read about vitamine C in vegetables anyhow. Or?

I would like to find ways to do THH. I've done it but I found it a bit tricky and uncertain.
 
Here's a hypothetical mechanism for the harmaline oxidoreduction:
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Note that it's highly likely water molecules will play their part in the proton tranfer in each case - I couldn't be bothered to clutter the schemes up with that though!
 
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