Harmala Brew Recipes

[northape]

@northape Considering the pursuit of 'better' tasting brew, I would avoid acetic acid and use tartaric acid instead. Cheers!

I know, but that is not my pursuit at all. After years of working with rue, I am fine with the taste. Some other acid choice might be better, but I am comfortable with acetic acid. That is why I always include the guideline "adjust water to pH 6" so people can make their own choice

 

[JosBoaz]

@northape Considering the pursuit of 'better' tasting brew, I would avoid acetic acid and use tartaric acid instead. Cheers!

Note to self:

English: tartaric acid
German: Weinsäure
French: acide tartrique
Spanish: ácido tartárico
Italian: acido tartarico
Dutch: wijnsteenzuur
Portuguese: ácido tartárico
Polish: kwas winowy
Russian: винная кислота

 

[JosBoaz]

Weight of resin converted to seed weight

0.5–0.6 g Harmala resin ≈ 3 g Harmala seeds
0.7–0.8 g Harmala resin ≈ 4 g Harmala seeds
0.9–1.0 g Harmala resin ≈ 5 g Harmala seeds
1.1–1.2 g Harmala resin ≈ 6.0 g Harmala seeds
1.3–1.4 g Harmala resin ≈ 7.0 g Harmala seeds
1.5–1.6 g Harmala resin ≈ 8.0 g Harmala seeds
1.7–1.8 g Harmala resin ≈ 9.0 g Harmala seeds

Harmala Resin Extraction TEK

 

[JosBoaz]

Harmala powder: 13 g (≈ 0.46 oz)
Water: 500 mL (≈ 17 fl oz / 2.1 cups)

1. Place the harmala powder and 500 mL (17 fl oz / 2.1 cups) of water into a regular saucepan with a lid.
2. Simmer gently for 60 minutes at 100°C (212°F). Keep it at a gentle simmer rather than a vigorous boil.
3. Filter the liquid to remove the solids.
4. Add enough water to the filtered liquid to bring the total volume back to 500 mL (17 fl oz / 2.1 cups).
5. Stir in 4 teaspoons of chocolate milk powder (do not use cocoa/cacao powder). Mix until completely dissolved.
   
   *Do not drink everything; begin with 25%

 

[JosBoaz]

• Harmala powder: 13 g (≈ 0.46 oz)
• Passionflower powder: 13 g (≈ 0.46 oz)
• Water: 1 L (≈ 33.8 US fl oz / 4.23 US cups / 4.0 metric cups)
• Chocolate milk powder: 2 tablespoons (≈ 30 mL / 1.0 US fl oz)
• Pan: Stainless steel with metal lid
• Heating: 240°C (≈ 464°F) for 40 minutes
  
  *Do not drink everything; begin with 25%

Reduce to 400ml (≈ 13 oz)

 

[northape]

I know, but that is not my pursuit at all. After years of working with rue, I am fine with the taste. Some other acid choice might be better, but I am comfortable with acetic acid. That is why I always include the guideline "adjust water to pH 6" so people can make their own choice

Use regular rainwater and you need no acid. People, please try to accept the rue's taste. It's half of the medicine. Just as the smell and taste of coffee energize you in the morning, so the taste of rue prepares your body for the medicine. Why mask it? Medicine should not be a pleasant experience. Those are my thoughts on it.

 

[JosBoaz]

People, please try to accept the rue's taste. It's half of the medicine. Just as the smell and taste of coffee energize you in the morning, so the taste of rue prepares your body for the medicine. Why mask it? Medicine should not be a pleasant experience.

I fail to see the added benefit of your comment in this thread, which is dedicated to detailed recipes for Harmala brews. In context, your overall tone comes across as a passive-aggressive, patronizing, and moralizing criticism of my recipe, framed as a general statement rather than addressed to me directly.

“Why mask it?” seems particularly pointed in this context. I have been taking Harmala for more than 12 years at this point, and if I do not particularly appreciate the taste, then that is simply my preference. I mainly use this thread to document and log my recipes. If other members find them useful and want to try them, that's fine; if they don't, that's equally fine.

There is therefore no need to turn a difference in taste preference into a broader statement about how Harmala should be consumed or what constitutes the proper way to approach it.

 

[northape]

Sorry if you found my comments aggressive in any way. That was not my intention at all. I respect your position, and you can ask a moderator to remove my posts from this thread. I'm fine with it. Just reference this post, and they can clean the thread for you.

Peace

 

[JosBoaz]

you can ask a moderator to remove my posts from this thread. I'm fine with it. Just reference this post, and they can clean the thread for you.

I actually think the last two comments need to remain in this thread to guide its overall direction.

 

[Sakkadelic]

Heating: 240°C (≈ 464°F) for 40 minutes

How are you achieving this temp?

 

[JosBoaz]

How are you achieving this temp?

It is impossible to achieve this temperature through conventional means; the numbers listed reflect the settings on my Princess induction plate, model 01.303010.01.001.

The plate has predetermined temperature settings, starting at 60°C (140°F) and increasing in 20°C (36°F) increments up to 240°C (464°F). After conducting numerous evaporation tests, I came to understand that simply setting the induction plate to 100°C (212°F) produces very different results from using the 240°C (464°F) setting.

It appears that when the induction plate is set to 100°C (212°F), it operates in cycles consisting of short bursts at that temperature. In contrast, the 240°C (464°F) setting appears to provide a much more continuous heat output. As a result, when using the 240°C (464°F) setting, the pan is exposed to continuous heat, while the liquid itself remains at a relatively steady temperature of approximately 93°C (199°F).

I believe I mentioned this earlier in the thread, although I understand that not everyone is going to read through the entire discussion. I also think this illustrates one of the challenges of using a thread as a personal online storage place for all my Harmala recipes while simultaneously making that information accessible to other members and non-members of this forum.

Because I post relatively infrequently, information that I need to explicitly note can eventually fall outside my longer-term memory. Part of the issue is also that, to me, it is obvious that I am referring to the setting on the induction plate, rather than the actual temperature of the liquid under those conditions.

I will therefore take your question into consideration in future publications. However, I am hesitant to make a firm promise that I will add such a note 100% of the time. As I have explained above, this is partly due to the fact that I may not retain the distinction in my longer-term memory.

°C​	°F​	Power mode​
60 °C​	140 °F​	200 W​
80 °C​	176 °F​	400 W​
100 °C​	212 °F​	600 W​
120 °C​	248 °F​	800 W​
140 °C​	284 °F​	1000 W​
160 °C​	320 °F​	1200 W​
180 °C​	356 °F​	1400 W​
200 °C​	392 °F​	1600 W​
220 °C​	428 °F​	1800 W​
240 °C​	464 °F​	—​

 

[Sakkadelic]

Okay but for your recipe to be useful for others it's better to generalize it and use terms like simmer, boil, or bring to a certain temp but not the specific settings of your induction stove.

It sounds like rue can pair nicely with chocolate but I wonder if harmalas would interact with and potentiate the alkaloids in chocolate. People report negative interactions with coffee.

 

[JosBoaz]

Okay but for your recipe to be useful for others it's better to generalize it and use terms like simmer, boil, or bring to a certain temp but not the specific settings of your induction stove.

For recipes to be useful for me it's mandatory to write down the settings that I have used in my experiments, which means I need to list the specific settings of my induction stove.

“It sounds like rue can pair nicely with chocolate but I wonder if harmalas would interact with and potentiate the alkaloids in chocolate. People report negative interactions with coffee.”

I have made concoctions of Harmala and Ilex Guayusa 100s of times and never had any single negative interaction with these compounds. I do think its note worthy to mention that Ilex Guayusa shares some of the same contents as Coffea arabica, mainly caffeine.

 

[JosBoaz]

Harmala & Passionflower Recipe

• Harmala powder: 28 g (≈ 0.99 oz)
• Passionflower powder: 15 g (≈ 0.53 oz)
• Water: 1 L (≈ 33.8 US fl oz / 4.23 US cups / 4.0 metric cups)
• Chocolate milk powder: 3 tablespoons (≈ 30 mL / 1.0 US fl oz)
• Pan: Stainless steel with metal lid
• Heating: 240°C (≈ 464°F) for 40 minutes
• Reduction: Reduce the liquid to 300 mL (≈ 10.1 US fl oz / 1.27 US cups)

Dosage / Redosing
Do not drink the entire preparation. Begin with a maximum of 2 sips and wait 1.5 hours before considering a redose.

Although this post, as well as the entire thread, is intended for my own documentation purposes, I am obligated to provide safety advice because this thread/post is accessible to the wider public.

Thread Note
This thread, as well as this post, is intended solely to log and document my recipes. Kindly post personal opinions about my recipes in another thread, as I would like to keep this thread focused solely on collecting and documenting my recipes.

Temperature Note
Temperatures reflect the settings of my stove.

 

[JosBoaz]

This is not a recipe created by Josboaz, it is created by Northape.

Northape’s Harmala Recipe

• Seeds: Powdered seeds — 1 g (0.035 oz) per unit.
• Water: 30 mL (1.0 US fl oz / 2 tbsp) per 1 g (0.035 oz) of seeds. More water can be used; for example, 500 mL (16.9 US fl oz / 2.11 US cups) for 5 g (0.18 oz) of seeds.
• Boiling: Boil for 30 minutes.
• Lid: Put a lid on the pan.
• Filtering: Filter the seeds through a cotton cloth.
• Reduction: Reduce the filtered liquid to approximately 5 mL (0.17 US fl oz / 1 tsp) per 1 g (0.035 oz) of seeds.
• Example: 5 g (0.18 oz) of seeds → approximately 25 mL (0.85 US fl oz / 5 tsp) of reduced tea.
• Final volume: A concentrated “shot” is typically around 30 mL (1.01 US fl oz / 2 tbsp), with 50 mL (1.69 US fl oz / 3⅓ tbsp) as an upper limit.
• Preparation: Cook fresh and drink immediately.
• Water: Fresh rainwater is preferred.
  
  Added explanation:
  Yeah, I put a lid on, and still quite a lot of water evaporates (maybe 1/8). I've been reading more about rainwater after yesterday, and it seems to go up to pH7 after boiling as CO2 evaporates. So, it's not an optimal solution if you need to store your tea, because alkaloids start to precipitate. You can just reheat it though to redissolve everything or drink it with the sludge. I'm still testing it myself, but fresh brews do work wonders.
  
  Snow and ice take in even more CO2, so they should be as acidic or more. I do filter my rainwater through a few coffee filters before using it to get rid of any junk I can't see. Ultimately, one can use a camping filter that filters even plastics if there are some. I don't know, this natural recipe seems to agree with me. Using natural water directly from the sky adds some nice vibes, even if it's just a placebo. One friend told me that spring water works very well too. Strange, but both the color and smell are different when you cook with rainwater. It has some coffee tones, and the tea looks milky.

 

[northape]

it is created by Northape.

Sounds grand
I'm just a servant here and have never created anything. All credit goes to God / Cosmos

 

[JosBoaz]

I'm just a servant here and have never created anything. All credit goes to God / Cosmos

What about the Atman?

 

[northape]

What about the Atman?

If anything, I'm a dream of Atman. My character is as real as the northape persona

 

[JosBoaz]

This is not a recipe developed by Josboaz, it is developed by Transform.

Transform’s Harmala Recipe

Ingredients

• 3.2 g harmala seeds, ground​
• 300 mL water per boil​
• 160 mg vitamin C – only first boil​

Method

1. Seeds: Ground harmala seeds — 3.2 g (0.113 oz).
2. Water: 300 mL (10.1 US fl oz / 1¼ US cups) per boil.
3. Vitamin C: 160 mg (0.0056 oz) — first boil only.
4. Lid: Put a lid on the pan with a small vent hole.
5. First boil: Simmer for a long time, reducing the liquid by approximately half.
6. Filtering: Filter the liquid and retain the plant material.
7. Second boil: Add another 300 mL (10.1 US fl oz / 1¼ US cups) water to the retained seeds and simmer again, reducing the liquid by approximately half.
8. Filtering: Filter the second extraction.
9. Combining: Combine the two filtered liquids.

Added explanation:
I do use a lid, and it has a small vent hole. I only strain the seeds - I have some paper teabags which help with that. Filtering with a cotton plug gets rid of some fine seed particulates though. The first brew with ground seeds tends to have a pectin haze that won't go away. Crushing the seeds with a mortar and pestle will also work, and whole seeds will make a slightly cleaner brew, but the latter needs three or more brews for better efficacy.

It may be possible to remove pectin gunk with a preliminary boil in slightly alkaline water (eg, sodium carbonate), which stops the alks from dissolving, although that would be an additional complication and rather experimental. Moar acid would be needed after that.

 

[harmala_afficianado]

It sounds like rue can pair nicely with chocolate but I wonder if harmalas would interact with and potentiate the alkaloids in chocolate. People report negative interactions with coffee.

One my favorite combos ever, makes the taste of the tea alot better and really adds to the experience beautifully, can be almost as euphoric as a good mdma roll if you use unproccessed cacao، ive used cacao about 50% of the time i used rue, they both potentiate each other though so be comfortable with rue first, but its alot more relaxing than rue+coffee